Comments on: Paid Features: The Chicken Or The Egg http://www.wisdump.com/business/paid-features-the-chicken-or-the-egg/#utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=paid-features-the-chicken-or-the-egg Dumping wisdom on the masses Sun, 14 Mar 2010 00:36:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Jackson Fish Market http://www.wisdump.com/business/paid-features-the-chicken-or-the-egg/comment-page-1/#comment-7670 Jackson Fish Market Fri, 02 Mar 2007 16:05:36 +0000 http://wisdump.com/?p=320#comment-7670 [...] “Too many of us have become blinded by big numbers. If we can’t report a million pageviews or a million registrations then we are not at the same level as the other big boys and that is where we need to be first correct? Does it really matter as long as you are making money and building up?” [...] [...] “Too many of us have become blinded by big numbers. If we can’t report a million pageviews or a million registrations then we are not at the same level as the other big boys and that is where we need to be first correct? Does it really matter as long as you are making money and building up?” [...]

]]> By: Why There Is No Fast Food Ad-Supported Model » Wisdump http://www.wisdump.com/business/paid-features-the-chicken-or-the-egg/comment-page-1/#comment-7669 Why There Is No Fast Food Ad-Supported Model » Wisdump Thu, 01 Mar 2007 17:18:59 +0000 http://wisdump.com/?p=320#comment-7669 [...] Let’s ignore the grammar and focus on the message of this comment: Strong competitors, this is the reason number one, why to release your stuff for free. [...] [...] Let’s ignore the grammar and focus on the message of this comment: Strong competitors, this is the reason number one, why to release your stuff for free. [...]

]]> By: Matt http://www.wisdump.com/business/paid-features-the-chicken-or-the-egg/comment-page-1/#comment-7668 Matt Thu, 01 Mar 2007 09:01:37 +0000 http://wisdump.com/?p=320#comment-7668 We've found with WP.com that having free competitors actually doesn't have that much of an effect, even when they give away what you charge for specifically. We’ve found with WP.com that having free competitors actually doesn’t have that much of an effect, even when they give away what you charge for specifically.

]]> By: Travis http://www.wisdump.com/business/paid-features-the-chicken-or-the-egg/comment-page-1/#comment-7667 Travis Thu, 01 Mar 2007 02:27:01 +0000 http://wisdump.com/?p=320#comment-7667 Skype did it right when they gave away calls to a landline for a year. A couple months ago you had to pay for that service, but they discounted the rate for a limited time, and you could still make free calls to other Skype users. They kept the free plan and offered a paid plan where the value was worth much more than the cost. Zoto has done the opposite just announcing that they're deleting all free accounts and making everyone upgrade to a paid plan to be able to continue to use their site. No freebies whatsoever. If you're ever looking to label your company as an asshole, this is the way to go. <a href="http://mashable.com/2007/02/28/zoto/" rel="nofollow">http://mashable.com/2007/02/28/zoto/</a> Skype did it right when they gave away calls to a landline for a year. A couple months ago you had to pay for that service, but they discounted the rate for a limited time, and you could still make free calls to other Skype users. They kept the free plan and offered a paid plan where the value was worth much more than the cost.

Zoto has done the opposite just announcing that they’re deleting all free accounts and making everyone upgrade to a paid plan to be able to continue to use their site. No freebies whatsoever. If you’re ever looking to label your company as an asshole, this is the way to go.

http://mashable.com/2007/02/28/zoto/

]]> By: Devin http://www.wisdump.com/business/paid-features-the-chicken-or-the-egg/comment-page-1/#comment-7666 Devin Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:50:17 +0000 http://wisdump.com/?p=320#comment-7666 You're right Mike, I skipped past the 'profile' part. And yes, I have no idea what is coming. But since you already have something, which is what I thought Scrivs was talking about, then the freemium features aren't simultaneous. I see what you guys are saying, just wanted clarification. We're on the same team, no need to get defensive, Rundizzle. ;) You’re right Mike, I skipped past the ‘profile’ part.

And yes, I have no idea what is coming. But since you already have something, which is what I thought Scrivs was talking about, then the freemium features aren’t simultaneous.

I see what you guys are saying, just wanted clarification. We’re on the same team, no need to get defensive, Rundizzle. ;)

]]> By: Mike Rundle http://www.wisdump.com/business/paid-features-the-chicken-or-the-egg/comment-page-1/#comment-7665 Mike Rundle Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:07:59 +0000 http://wisdump.com/?p=320#comment-7665 Devin I said the feature of my.9rules that is "your profile page" is not the main focus, I have no clue how you think that means members or users. And regarding the simultaneous release, you have no clue what we're talking about in regards to new features being released for free accounts or pro accounts, so how can you assume that what's out there now has anything to do with what we're adding next? Devin I said the feature of my.9rules that is “your profile page” is not the main focus, I have no clue how you think that means members or users. And regarding the simultaneous release, you have no clue what we’re talking about in regards to new features being released for free accounts or pro accounts, so how can you assume that what’s out there now has anything to do with what we’re adding next?

]]> By: Scrivs http://www.wisdump.com/business/paid-features-the-chicken-or-the-egg/comment-page-1/#comment-7664 Scrivs Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:00:02 +0000 http://wisdump.com/?p=320#comment-7664 Since you wish to get buried in semantics then no it isn't simultaneous and I was more referring to the fact to how close it would be to the release of Ali instead of the release of Notes in general. Otherwise, yeah we have a community already. As for worrying about competition and then releasing stuff for free because of it? I guess we shall just rely on advertising for the rest of our lives then. Since you wish to get buried in semantics then no it isn’t simultaneous and I was more referring to the fact to how close it would be to the release of Ali instead of the release of Notes in general. Otherwise, yeah we have a community already.

As for worrying about competition and then releasing stuff for free because of it? I guess we shall just rely on advertising for the rest of our lives then.

]]> By: Devin http://www.wisdump.com/business/paid-features-the-chicken-or-the-egg/comment-page-1/#comment-7663 Devin Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:13:33 +0000 http://wisdump.com/?p=320#comment-7663 Oh boy, free users including 9rules members are second class citizens of 9rules! ;) I still don't see this as a simultaneous release. You guys arguably had to build up a community and tons of visitors before you ever introduced these 'freemium' ideas. You had a head start. ;) Oh boy, free users including 9rules members are second class citizens of 9rules! ;)

I still don’t see this as a simultaneous release. You guys arguably had to build up a community and tons of visitors before you ever introduced these ‘freemium’ ideas.

You had a head start. ;)

]]> By: Mike Rundle http://www.wisdump.com/business/paid-features-the-chicken-or-the-egg/comment-page-1/#comment-7662 Mike Rundle Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:41:55 +0000 http://wisdump.com/?p=320#comment-7662 The way it is now, your my.9rules profile is essentially the 2nd-class citizen as far as functionality is concerned, with the main reason people have my.9r accounts is to post and respond to Notes. What Paul is saying is that it won't always be like this :) The way it is now, your my.9rules profile is essentially the 2nd-class citizen as far as functionality is concerned, with the main reason people have my.9r accounts is to post and respond to Notes.

What Paul is saying is that it won’t always be like this :)

]]> By: Devin http://www.wisdump.com/business/paid-features-the-chicken-or-the-egg/comment-page-1/#comment-7661 Devin Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:36:00 +0000 http://wisdump.com/?p=320#comment-7661 Wait,you lost me--perhaps I'm being dense but are you arguing 9rules is rolling out both free and paid services simultaneously? If I understand your point you think people shouldn't worry about numbers of existing users.. ..but isn't the my.9r simply an extension of notes? Haven't you been building the "numbers" for months now? Wasn't that your "chicken"? Wait,you lost me–perhaps I’m being dense but are you arguing 9rules is rolling out both free and paid services simultaneously? If I understand your point you think people shouldn’t worry about numbers of existing users..

..but isn’t the my.9r simply an extension of notes? Haven’t you been building the “numbers” for months now? Wasn’t that your “chicken”?

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