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		<title>By: beth</title>
		<link>http://www.wisdump.com/business/to-some-growing-means-dying/comment-page-1/#comment-8069</link>
		<dc:creator>beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 16:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I haven&#039;t necessarily enjoyed all of 9rules&#039; new features I do admire that you&#039;ve implemented them, backlash be damned. I understand not wanting your site to stagnate and trying to give your users the best possible experience. After all, you&#039;re who hears directly from your users what they want.

Personally, I&#039;d like to see you go more the route of Google, lots of cool features if you want to use them, but for a casual user they&#039;re kept behind the curtain away from the main attraction. Anyhow, praise jebus for no spam and unobtrusive advertising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I haven&#8217;t necessarily enjoyed all of 9rules&#8217; new features I do admire that you&#8217;ve implemented them, backlash be damned. I understand not wanting your site to stagnate and trying to give your users the best possible experience. After all, you&#8217;re who hears directly from your users what they want.</p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;d like to see you go more the route of Google, lots of cool features if you want to use them, but for a casual user they&#8217;re kept behind the curtain away from the main attraction. Anyhow, praise jebus for no spam and unobtrusive advertising.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.wisdump.com/business/to-some-growing-means-dying/comment-page-1/#comment-8068</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 18:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think sometimes people use the term &quot;death&quot; to refer to a focus or way of working.  Many online communities get too big to support their original mission statement, and become more about self-importance than working towards a common goal.

Yes, with the original 9rules idea the concept was on the celebration of great content - and it exceeded at that.  But 9rules was small and niche, and limited in it&#039;s possibilities.  Now, as we know, 9rules has expanded into other areas - a kind of hybrid feedback directory service, I like to think.  But the number of participants has also inflated, and in some ways this makes 9rules slightly unmanageable.

That is to say, once upon a time I could visit 9rules and get a listing of recent entries from great blogs on a similar subject area (business/design/web 2.0)... now it&#039;s a completely different beast.  Better or worse?  Neither necessarily, but the original concept is dead in place of something else.

And of course, there will always be elitists who believe that the growth of such a community, and the introduction of new members cheapens the product.  But these people are just snobs who like to rule their closed kingdoms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think sometimes people use the term &#8220;death&#8221; to refer to a focus or way of working.  Many online communities get too big to support their original mission statement, and become more about self-importance than working towards a common goal.</p>
<p>Yes, with the original 9rules idea the concept was on the celebration of great content &#8211; and it exceeded at that.  But 9rules was small and niche, and limited in it&#8217;s possibilities.  Now, as we know, 9rules has expanded into other areas &#8211; a kind of hybrid feedback directory service, I like to think.  But the number of participants has also inflated, and in some ways this makes 9rules slightly unmanageable.</p>
<p>That is to say, once upon a time I could visit 9rules and get a listing of recent entries from great blogs on a similar subject area (business/design/web 2.0)&#8230; now it&#8217;s a completely different beast.  Better or worse?  Neither necessarily, but the original concept is dead in place of something else.</p>
<p>And of course, there will always be elitists who believe that the growth of such a community, and the introduction of new members cheapens the product.  But these people are just snobs who like to rule their closed kingdoms.</p>
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		<title>By: peroty</title>
		<link>http://www.wisdump.com/business/to-some-growing-means-dying/comment-page-1/#comment-8067</link>
		<dc:creator>peroty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 18:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>9Rules is the first community site I&#039;ve ever joined and really participated in and with the advent of my.9r I was hooked. I went from being a lurker around 9Rules, Scrivstyme, Whitespace, and Rundle&#039;s weblog to a community member and contributor.
I knew you guys were doing something good and I wanted to be a part of it. And now I am, which is truly awesome.
I remember back in the early days of the internet where you could hold civil conversations without spammers and flamers taking over and destroying it. 9Rules is one of the last islands of discourse left on the web. And for that, I thank you. :) 
Keep up the good work and thick skin. I can&#039;t wait for 2010.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>9Rules is the first community site I&#8217;ve ever joined and really participated in and with the advent of my.9r I was hooked. I went from being a lurker around 9Rules, Scrivstyme, Whitespace, and Rundle&#8217;s weblog to a community member and contributor.<br />
I knew you guys were doing something good and I wanted to be a part of it. And now I am, which is truly awesome.<br />
I remember back in the early days of the internet where you could hold civil conversations without spammers and flamers taking over and destroying it. 9Rules is one of the last islands of discourse left on the web. And for that, I thank you. :)<br />
Keep up the good work and thick skin. I can&#8217;t wait for 2010.</p>
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		<title>By: Scrivs</title>
		<link>http://www.wisdump.com/business/to-some-growing-means-dying/comment-page-1/#comment-8063</link>
		<dc:creator>Scrivs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 16:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Fred: You got a deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Fred: You got a deal.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Bradford</title>
		<link>http://www.wisdump.com/business/to-some-growing-means-dying/comment-page-1/#comment-8066</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Bradford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 16:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I first heard about 9rules, it was back when it was just a content provider. I wasn&#039;t interested, so I moved on to something else.

Now, with the advent of my.9r and Notes, 9rules is part of my daily grind.

I guess this is what it&#039;s like being on the opposite side of the &quot;dashboard effect&quot; (also known as the &quot;indie-band-sells-out-and-goes-national effect&quot;)

See, the way I see it, a lot of people were all about 9rules when it was small because it was somehow &quot;theirs&quot; and it was intimate and it was like a sort of social hangout for all the hip bloggers and they were happy to be getting recognition. It made them &quot;different&quot; from the Xanga and Livejournal people.

When 9rules started to open their doors wider and wider, the &quot;specialness&quot; started to fade. Now it&#039;s a thriving community, and the people are still great, but there are too many, and the original fans of the site feel like The Rulers have abandoned them, or at least the community doesn&#039;t work for them anymore.

Take all that with a grain of salt because as I said before, I wasn&#039;t there in the beginning... This is all gleaned from what I have gathered and what I know of how pseudo-underground things go.

The bigger you get, the less and less your original followers are going to like you. I&#039;ll admit right now, if 9rules gets as big as MySpace, I&#039;d find it difficult to enjoy it.

Tough skin, Scrivs, take care of that tough skin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I first heard about 9rules, it was back when it was just a content provider. I wasn&#8217;t interested, so I moved on to something else.</p>
<p>Now, with the advent of my.9r and Notes, 9rules is part of my daily grind.</p>
<p>I guess this is what it&#8217;s like being on the opposite side of the &#8220;dashboard effect&#8221; (also known as the &#8220;indie-band-sells-out-and-goes-national effect&#8221;)</p>
<p>See, the way I see it, a lot of people were all about 9rules when it was small because it was somehow &#8220;theirs&#8221; and it was intimate and it was like a sort of social hangout for all the hip bloggers and they were happy to be getting recognition. It made them &#8220;different&#8221; from the Xanga and Livejournal people.</p>
<p>When 9rules started to open their doors wider and wider, the &#8220;specialness&#8221; started to fade. Now it&#8217;s a thriving community, and the people are still great, but there are too many, and the original fans of the site feel like The Rulers have abandoned them, or at least the community doesn&#8217;t work for them anymore.</p>
<p>Take all that with a grain of salt because as I said before, I wasn&#8217;t there in the beginning&#8230; This is all gleaned from what I have gathered and what I know of how pseudo-underground things go.</p>
<p>The bigger you get, the less and less your original followers are going to like you. I&#8217;ll admit right now, if 9rules gets as big as MySpace, I&#8217;d find it difficult to enjoy it.</p>
<p>Tough skin, Scrivs, take care of that tough skin.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Papageorge</title>
		<link>http://www.wisdump.com/business/to-some-growing-means-dying/comment-page-1/#comment-8065</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Papageorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 15:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, all companies/products have their market, and in the case of 9rules the &quot;product&quot; is a complex offering - perhaps it&#039;s more accurate to call it &quot;products&quot;. 

Across that offering of products which all may be geared towards the &lt;em&gt;&quot;same goals&quot;&lt;/em&gt;, some may ebb and flow and that may be where people see things &quot;dying&quot; (kind of overkill, that word).

In any case, I agree, that if you stay true to your original goals there&#039;s a good chance that you are going to do well, especially if you listen to your market.

(I&#039;d love to hear the metrics that have people rating 9rules as &lt;em&gt;dying&lt;/em&gt;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, all companies/products have their market, and in the case of 9rules the &#8220;product&#8221; is a complex offering &#8211; perhaps it&#8217;s more accurate to call it &#8220;products&#8221;. </p>
<p>Across that offering of products which all may be geared towards the <em>&#8220;same goals&#8221;</em>, some may ebb and flow and that may be where people see things &#8220;dying&#8221; (kind of overkill, that word).</p>
<p>In any case, I agree, that if you stay true to your original goals there&#8217;s a good chance that you are going to do well, especially if you listen to your market.</p>
<p>(I&#8217;d love to hear the metrics that have people rating 9rules as <em>dying</em>)</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
		<link>http://www.wisdump.com/business/to-some-growing-means-dying/comment-page-1/#comment-8064</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 15:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you write three posts in a row without citing Apple or Google or 37signals, I&#039;ll paypal you $20.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you write three posts in a row without citing Apple or Google or 37signals, I&#8217;ll paypal you $20.</p>
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