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		<title>By: hornswaggled</title>
		<link>http://www.wisdump.com/design-critiques/uck-you-pay-me-the-techcrunch-redesign/comment-page-1/#comment-4615</link>
		<dc:creator>hornswaggled</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 03:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this is old and I&#039;m not sure if these comments will make it to the site but this was a great read and one of the more interesting comment threads Ive seen in awhile. 

As an avid reader of TC and 9rules follower its pretty cool to see the dialog here. Mike was pretty upset to say the least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is old and I&#8217;m not sure if these comments will make it to the site but this was a great read and one of the more interesting comment threads Ive seen in awhile. </p>
<p>As an avid reader of TC and 9rules follower its pretty cool to see the dialog here. Mike was pretty upset to say the least.</p>
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		<title>By: Pageflakes, FeedBurner, accuracy in stats - Tyme&#8217;s Not Too Geeky</title>
		<link>http://www.wisdump.com/design-critiques/uck-you-pay-me-the-techcrunch-redesign/comment-page-1/#comment-4614</link>
		<dc:creator>Pageflakes, FeedBurner, accuracy in stats - Tyme&#8217;s Not Too Geeky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 20:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] That&#8217;s a large number and I agree with them questioning their stats. Kudos. Introduction over, let&#8217;s get to the meat of my entry&#8230;I did not read it on BoingBoing, I read it on TechCrunch. Normally I don&#8217;t read TechCrunch because honestly (disclaimer) Mike Arrington isn&#8217;t one of my favorite people (compare this, which carried over here, to this â€“ I&#8217;d have a lot more respect if he would have confessed it then) but I do respect him for the effort he puts into his site and how he keeps up with what is going on in his niche. That dedication is why I knew Mike Arrington was going to write about the Pageflakes â€œproblemâ€ two weeks after BoingBoing questioned it, because the problem resurfaced last week. There is a more subtle reason that I&#8217;m sure Mike Arrington won&#8217;t admit to. A â€œcompeting siteâ€, Mashable a 9rules member and a default feed in Pageflakes, &#8220;possibly&#8221; has overstated stats. Mashable&#8217;s is 4x as high as TechCrunch (yes, even I raise an eyebrow on that one). I think that is why think Mike is wrote about it, because Mike Arrington is kind of predictable. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] That&#8217;s a large number and I agree with them questioning their stats. Kudos. Introduction over, let&#8217;s get to the meat of my entry&#8230;I did not read it on BoingBoing, I read it on TechCrunch. Normally I don&#8217;t read TechCrunch because honestly (disclaimer) Mike Arrington isn&#8217;t one of my favorite people (compare this, which carried over here, to this â€“ I&#8217;d have a lot more respect if he would have confessed it then) but I do respect him for the effort he puts into his site and how he keeps up with what is going on in his niche. That dedication is why I knew Mike Arrington was going to write about the Pageflakes â€œproblemâ€ two weeks after BoingBoing questioned it, because the problem resurfaced last week. There is a more subtle reason that I&#8217;m sure Mike Arrington won&#8217;t admit to. A â€œcompeting siteâ€, Mashable a 9rules member and a default feed in Pageflakes, &#8220;possibly&#8221; has overstated stats. Mashable&#8217;s is 4x as high as TechCrunch (yes, even I raise an eyebrow on that one). I think that is why think Mike is wrote about it, because Mike Arrington is kind of predictable. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ping Six &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Tyme&#8217;s Thoughts: Why Pin Six is using the Durable theme</title>
		<link>http://www.wisdump.com/design-critiques/uck-you-pay-me-the-techcrunch-redesign/comment-page-1/#comment-4613</link>
		<dc:creator>Ping Six &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Tyme&#8217;s Thoughts: Why Pin Six is using the Durable theme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 19:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Recently Mike Arrington launched a new design. There was a lot of discussion about the new design, and I dipped in the conversation too talking more about the ethical aspects of the new features of the site (sponsors). A lot of stuff happened after that and I am not about to summarize that. There is a conversation I want to point out, on Wisdump. Mike took the time to respond to the comments which is great because there were a lot of comments being made. He commented on Not Too Geeky as well but for some reason I decided to hold the discussion on Wisdump. What Mike went through the past two weeks reaffirmed some things I already knew, but took advantage of. I attempt to correct that with Ping Six. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Recently Mike Arrington launched a new design. There was a lot of discussion about the new design, and I dipped in the conversation too talking more about the ethical aspects of the new features of the site (sponsors). A lot of stuff happened after that and I am not about to summarize that. There is a conversation I want to point out, on Wisdump. Mike took the time to respond to the comments which is great because there were a lot of comments being made. He commented on Not Too Geeky as well but for some reason I decided to hold the discussion on Wisdump. What Mike went through the past two weeks reaffirmed some things I already knew, but took advantage of. I attempt to correct that with Ping Six. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sherwin Techico</title>
		<link>http://www.wisdump.com/design-critiques/uck-you-pay-me-the-techcrunch-redesign/comment-page-1/#comment-4612</link>
		<dc:creator>Sherwin Techico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 May 2006 04:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow... the power of blogs huh? Its been an eye-opening read. Anyways, good luck with it Michael. I hope you and Rachel sort it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230; the power of blogs huh? Its been an eye-opening read. Anyways, good luck with it Michael. I hope you and Rachel sort it out.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Arrington</title>
		<link>http://www.wisdump.com/design-critiques/uck-you-pay-me-the-techcrunch-redesign/comment-page-1/#comment-4611</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Arrington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 16:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, I now have it straight. Thanks, very much, for all the terrific advice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, I now have it straight. Thanks, very much, for all the terrific advice.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyme</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 16:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s get it straight:

1) I did not say control over your site - control over the situation. There&#039;s a difference.
2) I did not say you &quot;just&quot; started listening, I said it&#039;s great you&#039;re listening during what most would consider a tough time. 
3) People realize you&#039;re a real person, they don&#039;t get where you&#039;re coming from because recently you&#039;re flip-flopping all over the place. Of course it is quite possible for the casual reader to forget because there&#039;s nothing about &quot;you&quot; on the about page, with the exception of that one sentence. 

As far as the site is concerned, there are issues with it. No matter what term is placed in the search box only 5 results come up. Unless of course you meant that to happen.

Fanning the flames? I&#039;m telling you my perception. You say one thing and you do something else and you expect &quot;us&quot; to realize your goals are clear? Your goals are clear to YOU but they definitely aren&#039;t clear...otherwise all this drama wouldn&#039;t have happened. Thousands of web sites launched new designs during CSS Reboot, site owners launch new designs everyday. Many of them are detested. Very rare to have a fallout like yours. That&#039;s because the problem went deeper than design.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s get it straight:</p>
<p>1) I did not say control over your site &#8211; control over the situation. There&#8217;s a difference.<br />
2) I did not say you &#8220;just&#8221; started listening, I said it&#8217;s great you&#8217;re listening during what most would consider a tough time.<br />
3) People realize you&#8217;re a real person, they don&#8217;t get where you&#8217;re coming from because recently you&#8217;re flip-flopping all over the place. Of course it is quite possible for the casual reader to forget because there&#8217;s nothing about &#8220;you&#8221; on the about page, with the exception of that one sentence. </p>
<p>As far as the site is concerned, there are issues with it. No matter what term is placed in the search box only 5 results come up. Unless of course you meant that to happen.</p>
<p>Fanning the flames? I&#8217;m telling you my perception. You say one thing and you do something else and you expect &#8220;us&#8221; to realize your goals are clear? Your goals are clear to YOU but they definitely aren&#8217;t clear&#8230;otherwise all this drama wouldn&#8217;t have happened. Thousands of web sites launched new designs during CSS Reboot, site owners launch new designs everyday. Many of them are detested. Very rare to have a fallout like yours. That&#8217;s because the problem went deeper than design.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Arrington</title>
		<link>http://www.wisdump.com/design-critiques/uck-you-pay-me-the-techcrunch-redesign/comment-page-1/#comment-4609</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Arrington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 16:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And..people aren&#039;t personally attacking me because my goals aren&#039;t clear. They are doing it because they don&#039;t realize that there&#039;s a real person on the other side of those comments.

People are attacking Rachel on my site with as much hate as others direct at me. There&#039;s no way to explain that based on your argument. People are fucked up, and you guys are stoking the flames.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And..people aren&#8217;t personally attacking me because my goals aren&#8217;t clear. They are doing it because they don&#8217;t realize that there&#8217;s a real person on the other side of those comments.</p>
<p>People are attacking Rachel on my site with as much hate as others direct at me. There&#8217;s no way to explain that based on your argument. People are fucked up, and you guys are stoking the flames.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Arrington</title>
		<link>http://www.wisdump.com/design-critiques/uck-you-pay-me-the-techcrunch-redesign/comment-page-1/#comment-4608</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Arrington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 15:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I think I have control over the site. Sure, things move fast and everything isn&#039;t as perfect as it could be. But people could express dislike for the site without saying such horrible things. There is some weird breakdown in society on blogs, where people feel free to express themselves in ways that would never happen in &quot;real&quot; life. Since we all didn&#039;t grow up dealing with these very ugly expressions, we (or at least I) don&#039;t know exactly how to deal with them.

And I don&#039;t think I owe a different explanation to anyone than I&#039;ve given. Don&#039;t get me wrong - my point here is clear. Just because I am bummed that people are saying these things doesn&#039;t make me ready to just hand control of the site over to them. I&#039;m not that weak. Many people, including people I considered to be friends, have taken some ugly shots at me and are making lots of assumptions that are incorrect. And the comments are just plain ugly. I&#039;m not looking for advice on how to &quot;take control&quot;. I&#039;m staring at the ugly side of humanity and commenting on it, that&#039;s all.

I also take offense at the notion that I&#039;ve just begun listening. I&#039;ve always listened. That&#039;s why comments are on, and why I leave most of the hateful stuff there. I only remove comments that discuss killing or hurting me or my family, or comments that attack other people in a cruel way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I think I have control over the site. Sure, things move fast and everything isn&#8217;t as perfect as it could be. But people could express dislike for the site without saying such horrible things. There is some weird breakdown in society on blogs, where people feel free to express themselves in ways that would never happen in &#8220;real&#8221; life. Since we all didn&#8217;t grow up dealing with these very ugly expressions, we (or at least I) don&#8217;t know exactly how to deal with them.</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t think I owe a different explanation to anyone than I&#8217;ve given. Don&#8217;t get me wrong &#8211; my point here is clear. Just because I am bummed that people are saying these things doesn&#8217;t make me ready to just hand control of the site over to them. I&#8217;m not that weak. Many people, including people I considered to be friends, have taken some ugly shots at me and are making lots of assumptions that are incorrect. And the comments are just plain ugly. I&#8217;m not looking for advice on how to &#8220;take control&#8221;. I&#8217;m staring at the ugly side of humanity and commenting on it, that&#8217;s all.</p>
<p>I also take offense at the notion that I&#8217;ve just begun listening. I&#8217;ve always listened. That&#8217;s why comments are on, and why I leave most of the hateful stuff there. I only remove comments that discuss killing or hurting me or my family, or comments that attack other people in a cruel way.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyme</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 15:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike you responded on my site but since you&#039;re hear, saying something similar...

I know what it&#039;s like to be criticized. When I joined 9rules I was caught up in something that started long before me. I was insulted, everything I said was ripped apart, but not even close to what Scrivs went through. So we get what you&#039;re dealing with, seriously.

Let&#039;s tell it like it is:

1) You don&#039;t want to change the design, that&#039;s why it&#039;s staying (your choice).
2) The points you make here don&#039;t come across on your site. Why is that? 
3) Your designer shouldn&#039;t have quit the way she did. Yes, I&#039;m a woman saying I don&#039;t agree with another woman. Sue me. It was unprofessional. IMO she should have spoken to you first. Do I think your entry was appropriate? No, but that does not justify her actions.

I don&#039;t know you, never met you, never spoke to you. All I have is your site to form an opinion (which you read), just like the majority of people. You can&#039;t please everyone but you can improve the situation...once your self-pity mode expires. You can take the easy route and walk away like you hinted on my site or you can take the harder route and regain control. 

People are personally attacking you because your goals aren&#039;t clear. Your motives aren&#039;t clear. It&#039;s excellent that you&#039;re listening and I know from experience that it is hard to do but take what you&#039;re hearing, absorb it, learn from it and regain control...or shut the doors...whatever your preference because sometimes enough is enough. This was a hell of a week. Next week is a new week...has &quot;take control&quot; written all over it but I like a challenge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike you responded on my site but since you&#8217;re hear, saying something similar&#8230;</p>
<p>I know what it&#8217;s like to be criticized. When I joined 9rules I was caught up in something that started long before me. I was insulted, everything I said was ripped apart, but not even close to what Scrivs went through. So we get what you&#8217;re dealing with, seriously.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s tell it like it is:</p>
<p>1) You don&#8217;t want to change the design, that&#8217;s why it&#8217;s staying (your choice).<br />
2) The points you make here don&#8217;t come across on your site. Why is that?<br />
3) Your designer shouldn&#8217;t have quit the way she did. Yes, I&#8217;m a woman saying I don&#8217;t agree with another woman. Sue me. It was unprofessional. IMO she should have spoken to you first. Do I think your entry was appropriate? No, but that does not justify her actions.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know you, never met you, never spoke to you. All I have is your site to form an opinion (which you read), just like the majority of people. You can&#8217;t please everyone but you can improve the situation&#8230;once your self-pity mode expires. You can take the easy route and walk away like you hinted on my site or you can take the harder route and regain control. </p>
<p>People are personally attacking you because your goals aren&#8217;t clear. Your motives aren&#8217;t clear. It&#8217;s excellent that you&#8217;re listening and I know from experience that it is hard to do but take what you&#8217;re hearing, absorb it, learn from it and regain control&#8230;or shut the doors&#8230;whatever your preference because sometimes enough is enough. This was a hell of a week. Next week is a new week&#8230;has &#8220;take control&#8221; written all over it but I like a challenge.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Arrington</title>
		<link>http://www.wisdump.com/design-critiques/uck-you-pay-me-the-techcrunch-redesign/comment-page-1/#comment-4606</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Arrington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 15:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and man, the hate has been non stop for months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and man, the hate has been non stop for months.</p>
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