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		<title>By: Patrick St. John</title>
		<link>http://www.wisdump.com/design/design-view-meets-political-view-andy-rutledge-style/comment-page-1/#comment-246555</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick St. John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I posted a response to Rutledge&#039;s two &quot;political&quot; pieces here:
http://patrickstjohn.org/blog/andy-rutledge-doth-dissent-too-much
Fellow designer Matthew Pennell also wrote a critique:
http://www.thewatchmakerproject.com/journal/477/dissentivisation

The crux of my argument is thus: &quot;People flipped out over Andy&#039;s post not because it expressed conservative sentiments, but because it expressed ridiculous and patently false sentiments.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted a response to Rutledge&#8217;s two &#8220;political&#8221; pieces here:<br />
<a href="http://patrickstjohn.org/blog/andy-rutledge-doth-dissent-too-much" rel="nofollow">http://patrickstjohn.org/blog/andy-rutledge-doth-dissent-too-much</a><br />
Fellow designer Matthew Pennell also wrote a critique:<br />
<a href="http://www.thewatchmakerproject.com/journal/477/dissentivisation" rel="nofollow">http://www.thewatchmakerproject.com/journal/477/dissentivisation</a></p>
<p>The crux of my argument is thus: &#8220;People flipped out over Andy&#8217;s post not because it expressed conservative sentiments, but because it expressed ridiculous and patently false sentiments.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Sten E. Moe</title>
		<link>http://www.wisdump.com/design/design-view-meets-political-view-andy-rutledge-style/comment-page-1/#comment-237752</link>
		<dc:creator>Sten E. Moe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark Chandler: I don&#039;t see the hypocrisy link. I think there is a definitive difference between Design Observer and Rutledges site: The former is a genuine publication, with editors, columnists and contributors. The site wants to be a collective for designers everywhere. The latter - Andy Rutledges site -  is a personal site, designed to give him a channel for his own views on design or politics, or whatever he sees fit.

What annoys Rutledge, as it annoys me, is the complacency and rather ugly consensus in the design &quot;community&quot;, whether in the Design Observer, Eye Magazine or national organisations, that all designers are liberal, and that &quot;we&quot; laugh at conservatives. For a publication designed to reach all designers, that is a rather stigmatic position to take. And a bit frustrating if you  are a conservative designer to always feel that your arenas for disussion is tainted with political bias that you don&#039;t agree with. 

Personally I believe that discussion is good only when opposing views are represented (and a civil tone is maintained, but that&#039;s another story), and designers should be challenged, and like challenges. It should after all be every designers method; to challenge, question and find new ways of doing things. 

Sten E. Moe, Arendal, Norway</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark Chandler: I don&#8217;t see the hypocrisy link. I think there is a definitive difference between Design Observer and Rutledges site: The former is a genuine publication, with editors, columnists and contributors. The site wants to be a collective for designers everywhere. The latter &#8211; Andy Rutledges site &#8211;  is a personal site, designed to give him a channel for his own views on design or politics, or whatever he sees fit.</p>
<p>What annoys Rutledge, as it annoys me, is the complacency and rather ugly consensus in the design &#8220;community&#8221;, whether in the Design Observer, Eye Magazine or national organisations, that all designers are liberal, and that &#8220;we&#8221; laugh at conservatives. For a publication designed to reach all designers, that is a rather stigmatic position to take. And a bit frustrating if you  are a conservative designer to always feel that your arenas for disussion is tainted with political bias that you don&#8217;t agree with. </p>
<p>Personally I believe that discussion is good only when opposing views are represented (and a civil tone is maintained, but that&#8217;s another story), and designers should be challenged, and like challenges. It should after all be every designers method; to challenge, question and find new ways of doing things. </p>
<p>Sten E. Moe, Arendal, Norway</p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
		<link>http://www.wisdump.com/design/design-view-meets-political-view-andy-rutledge-style/comment-page-1/#comment-235257</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 05:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, he is using his homepage to digitally deface the American flag by presenting it upside down. Poor guy needs a shot of tequila or something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, he is using his homepage to digitally deface the American flag by presenting it upside down. Poor guy needs a shot of tequila or something.</p>
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		<title>By: Nel</title>
		<link>http://www.wisdump.com/design/design-view-meets-political-view-andy-rutledge-style/comment-page-1/#comment-217383</link>
		<dc:creator>Nel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with RayM and Matt Mitchell.

@Gerard In my opinion, when you want to air a political rant, do so. And if you want to post something educational, then please do so. But this was like fascist / communist / whatever propaganda in a school book - people expect to find serious information and are confronted with something completely different (without any warning).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with RayM and Matt Mitchell.</p>
<p>@Gerard In my opinion, when you want to air a political rant, do so. And if you want to post something educational, then please do so. But this was like fascist / communist / whatever propaganda in a school book &#8211; people expect to find serious information and are confronted with something completely different (without any warning).</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Mitchell</title>
		<link>http://www.wisdump.com/design/design-view-meets-political-view-andy-rutledge-style/comment-page-1/#comment-216641</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 11:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally I am really disappointed in his post, I don&#039;t mind his political leaning but it&#039;s the rank hypocracy that winds me up. If you look back at a few of his old posts you see him lambasting design observer and I quote &quot;With its latest article, Design Observer shirks its responsibility to readers in favor of senselessly indulging its own political agenda&quot;.  Isn&#039;t that exactly what Andy is doing? 

Also, more recently, he gets on his soap box to declare he knows all about what it takes to be a design proffesional.  Sadly I think this is no longer the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally I am really disappointed in his post, I don&#8217;t mind his political leaning but it&#8217;s the rank hypocracy that winds me up. If you look back at a few of his old posts you see him lambasting design observer and I quote &#8220;With its latest article, Design Observer shirks its responsibility to readers in favor of senselessly indulging its own political agenda&#8221;.  Isn&#8217;t that exactly what Andy is doing? </p>
<p>Also, more recently, he gets on his soap box to declare he knows all about what it takes to be a design proffesional.  Sadly I think this is no longer the case.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Chandler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was actually shocked because, as I was reading the article, I sent links to it to a few friends due to the hilarity of Andy&#039;s mocking of ridiculous right-wing &quot;OMG COMMUNISM!!!&quot; ad hominem and red herring talking points... only to find out that he wasn&#039;t mocking them, but actually endorsing and legitimizing them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was actually shocked because, as I was reading the article, I sent links to it to a few friends due to the hilarity of Andy&#8217;s mocking of ridiculous right-wing &#8220;OMG COMMUNISM!!!&#8221; ad hominem and red herring talking points&#8230; only to find out that he wasn&#8217;t mocking them, but actually endorsing and legitimizing them.</p>
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		<title>By: RayM</title>
		<link>http://www.wisdump.com/design/design-view-meets-political-view-andy-rutledge-style/comment-page-1/#comment-209420</link>
		<dc:creator>RayM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 15:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although his design skills can&#039;t be put into question really his style of writing is often a little on the arrogant side and full of self importance. I want to respect someone who is obviously a talented designer but I am always at odds against a tone that indicates an elitest viewpoint. While I feel there is no problem with self confidence when you shut your eyes and ears to other viewpoints you become stale and on a downward slide.

While it could be said politics should have a place, in this context where it is about promoting a clear design plan for a visual and user interaction improvement where is the need to focus on the politics?

It smacks of a personal agenda removed from the educational aspect of the article in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although his design skills can&#8217;t be put into question really his style of writing is often a little on the arrogant side and full of self importance. I want to respect someone who is obviously a talented designer but I am always at odds against a tone that indicates an elitest viewpoint. While I feel there is no problem with self confidence when you shut your eyes and ears to other viewpoints you become stale and on a downward slide.</p>
<p>While it could be said politics should have a place, in this context where it is about promoting a clear design plan for a visual and user interaction improvement where is the need to focus on the politics?</p>
<p>It smacks of a personal agenda removed from the educational aspect of the article in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A good question to ask, Sophia - should politics and design mix? Well, why should politics be above scrutiny in any way shape or form?

Rutledge&#039;s opinion may be out of favour with the majority of liberal web users, but he is doing what he does best - communicating ideas through design. Judging by the debate you&#039;re pointing to, he&#039;s certainly making people think and talk, isn&#039;t he?

Being European, I have no opinion of what he&#039;s saying about Obama, but I love his presentation. Definitely his most controversial design redux to date!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good question to ask, Sophia &#8211; should politics and design mix? Well, why should politics be above scrutiny in any way shape or form?</p>
<p>Rutledge&#8217;s opinion may be out of favour with the majority of liberal web users, but he is doing what he does best &#8211; communicating ideas through design. Judging by the debate you&#8217;re pointing to, he&#8217;s certainly making people think and talk, isn&#8217;t he?</p>
<p>Being European, I have no opinion of what he&#8217;s saying about Obama, but I love his presentation. Definitely his most controversial design redux to date!</p>
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