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	<title>Comments on: RSS: Web 2.0&#8217;s Table Element</title>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
		<link>http://www.wisdump.com/ignoring-the-hype/rss-being-abused/comment-page-1/#comment-27932</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 01:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;While RSS is useful to readers, as it does allow them to interface with the site, I’m not sure a shortcut to the RSS is much better than a shortcut to an XHTML Validation page.

That&#039;s like suggesting some-random-percentage of hyper-linking, say 90%, is pointless because it&#039;s a &#039;shortcut&#039;. Of course it is. Linking to content saves your readers (some of whom will have lost brain cells reading your article, no offence) effort.

Suggesting RSS is at best &#039;useful&#039;, is to minoritize the majority of wisdump readers.

&gt;As far as saying “element” instead of “layout” — I guess I just assumed Wisdump readers would make the connection.

What? Your article tries to draw parallels that don&#039;t exist. It&#039;s not possible to make a connection when you don&#039;t actually provide good cause.

RSS icons that follow the standard, make it easier for folks to find feeds. If folks deviate away from that, then fine, but that doesn&#039;t automatically make the standard itself irrelvant.

What validity do w3c standards have, if they&#039;re rendered invalid by someone not following them? That&#039;s ultimately equivalent to the question you ask.

Surely you understand that&#039;s illogical.

Standards exist for a reason - they aren&#039;t negated by someone not following them.

And you&#039;ve still not clearly covered what any of that has to do with table &#039;abuse&#039;, given tables were never standardised by the w3c at any time. 

They were a useful element when CSS centric design was still in it&#039;s infancy. Heavy usage does not equate 1:1 with abuse.

I&#039;m honestly not at all sure what your article is trying to say, other than you hate seeing orange RSS icons?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;While RSS is useful to readers, as it does allow them to interface with the site, I’m not sure a shortcut to the RSS is much better than a shortcut to an XHTML Validation page.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s like suggesting some-random-percentage of hyper-linking, say 90%, is pointless because it&#8217;s a &#8217;shortcut&#8217;. Of course it is. Linking to content saves your readers (some of whom will have lost brain cells reading your article, no offence) effort.</p>
<p>Suggesting RSS is at best &#8216;useful&#8217;, is to minoritize the majority of wisdump readers.</p>
<p>&gt;As far as saying “element” instead of “layout” — I guess I just assumed Wisdump readers would make the connection.</p>
<p>What? Your article tries to draw parallels that don&#8217;t exist. It&#8217;s not possible to make a connection when you don&#8217;t actually provide good cause.</p>
<p>RSS icons that follow the standard, make it easier for folks to find feeds. If folks deviate away from that, then fine, but that doesn&#8217;t automatically make the standard itself irrelvant.</p>
<p>What validity do w3c standards have, if they&#8217;re rendered invalid by someone not following them? That&#8217;s ultimately equivalent to the question you ask.</p>
<p>Surely you understand that&#8217;s illogical.</p>
<p>Standards exist for a reason &#8211; they aren&#8217;t negated by someone not following them.</p>
<p>And you&#8217;ve still not clearly covered what any of that has to do with table &#8216;abuse&#8217;, given tables were never standardised by the w3c at any time. </p>
<p>They were a useful element when CSS centric design was still in it&#8217;s infancy. Heavy usage does not equate 1:1 with abuse.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m honestly not at all sure what your article is trying to say, other than you hate seeing orange RSS icons?</p>
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		<title>By: cameron</title>
		<link>http://www.wisdump.com/ignoring-the-hype/rss-being-abused/comment-page-1/#comment-27691</link>
		<dc:creator>cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 03:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ryan

&quot;I don’t know&quot; ?

You don&#039;t what comparison you were making? Why were you making a comparison if you don&#039;t know what it is? Why make the comparison at all?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ryan</p>
<p>&#8220;I don’t know&#8221; ?</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t what comparison you were making? Why were you making a comparison if you don&#8217;t know what it is? Why make the comparison at all?</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Imel</title>
		<link>http://www.wisdump.com/ignoring-the-hype/rss-being-abused/comment-page-1/#comment-27573</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Imel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Niccolo: I&#039;m not sure there needs to be only one feed. Many feedreading clients can detect multiple feeds and allow you to pick which one you&#039;d like to subscribe to.

@Randa: I suppose it is more useful, but I&#039;m not sure that it&#039;s much better than &quot;Valid&quot; buttons, like you say. Valid buttons lead you to a W3C Validator screen, showing you that there are no errors (and hopefully no warnings). But that&#039;s not something you need the button for, it&#039;s just a shortcut. It&#039;s also informational, concerning the technology behind the site, and not all that useful to the reader. While RSS is useful to readers, as it does allow them to interface with the site, I&#039;m not sure a shortcut to the RSS is much better than a shortcut to an XHTML Validation page.

@Katy: I&#039;m sure the icons do increase widespread knowledge of RSS. But is that enough to justify displaying them everywhere?

@Cameron: I don&#039;t know, Cameron. They both may be, as Atwood said, abusing a technology. Table designs were abusive to the purpose of tables, perhaps displaying RSS icons is abusing the technology of RSS feeds. As far as saying &quot;element&quot; instead of &quot;layout&quot; -- I guess I just assumed Wisdump readers would make the connection. Sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Niccolo: I&#8217;m not sure there needs to be only one feed. Many feedreading clients can detect multiple feeds and allow you to pick which one you&#8217;d like to subscribe to.</p>
<p>@Randa: I suppose it is more useful, but I&#8217;m not sure that it&#8217;s much better than &#8220;Valid&#8221; buttons, like you say. Valid buttons lead you to a W3C Validator screen, showing you that there are no errors (and hopefully no warnings). But that&#8217;s not something you need the button for, it&#8217;s just a shortcut. It&#8217;s also informational, concerning the technology behind the site, and not all that useful to the reader. While RSS is useful to readers, as it does allow them to interface with the site, I&#8217;m not sure a shortcut to the RSS is much better than a shortcut to an XHTML Validation page.</p>
<p>@Katy: I&#8217;m sure the icons do increase widespread knowledge of RSS. But is that enough to justify displaying them everywhere?</p>
<p>@Cameron: I don&#8217;t know, Cameron. They both may be, as Atwood said, abusing a technology. Table designs were abusive to the purpose of tables, perhaps displaying RSS icons is abusing the technology of RSS feeds. As far as saying &#8220;element&#8221; instead of &#8220;layout&#8221; &#8212; I guess I just assumed Wisdump readers would make the connection. Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: cameron</title>
		<link>http://www.wisdump.com/ignoring-the-hype/rss-being-abused/comment-page-1/#comment-27555</link>
		<dc:creator>cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comparing RSS icons to table layouts is .... absurd. Totally different.

Big superfluous RSS icons are not comparable to table-layout fiascos (BTW you just say &quot;table elements&quot; not &quot;table layouts&quot; there&#039;s a difference!) they&#039;re more comparable to say, animated gifs. It&#039;s a small indulgence on part of the designer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comparing RSS icons to table layouts is &#8230;. absurd. Totally different.</p>
<p>Big superfluous RSS icons are not comparable to table-layout fiascos (BTW you just say &#8220;table elements&#8221; not &#8220;table layouts&#8221; there&#8217;s a difference!) they&#8217;re more comparable to say, animated gifs. It&#8217;s a small indulgence on part of the designer.</p>
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		<title>By: katy lavallee</title>
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		<dc:creator>katy lavallee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve noticed they&#039;re quite useful to people who are just discovering RSS.  Plus, you can copy the link location and paste it into your feed reader manually if you don&#039;t want to use your browser&#039;s default reader.  In Safari I have to do that because I use Google Reader, and (as far as I know) the only options it gives me are Safari itself or choose an application.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve noticed they&#8217;re quite useful to people who are just discovering RSS.  Plus, you can copy the link location and paste it into your feed reader manually if you don&#8217;t want to use your browser&#8217;s default reader.  In Safari I have to do that because I use Google Reader, and (as far as I know) the only options it gives me are Safari itself or choose an application.</p>
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		<title>By: Randa Clay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randa Clay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The icon is most useful as just an easy visual clue when someone wants to subscribe. It&#039;s much easier to find the familiar icon than it is to find text on a page.  I&#039;m sure you&#039;re right in thinking its use will fade in time, but it is at least a bit more useful than a &quot;Valid XHTML&quot; button.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The icon is most useful as just an easy visual clue when someone wants to subscribe. It&#8217;s much easier to find the familiar icon than it is to find text on a page.  I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re right in thinking its use will fade in time, but it is at least a bit more useful than a &#8220;Valid XHTML&#8221; button.</p>
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		<title>By: Niccolò Zamborlini</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niccolò Zamborlini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Feed icons is userfull to quicklink the subscription of just a category of updates/news/topics in a website, like a subforum in a bulletin board.

Icon will be superfluous in a few years, but only if there is only a main feedline (no tags feeds, no category feeds, no comments feeds, etc.).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feed icons is userfull to quicklink the subscription of just a category of updates/news/topics in a website, like a subforum in a bulletin board.</p>
<p>Icon will be superfluous in a few years, but only if there is only a main feedline (no tags feeds, no category feeds, no comments feeds, etc.).</p>
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