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		<title>By: usmediaweb&#187; Blog Archive &#187; Friday Fun</title>
		<link>http://www.wisdump.com/personal/friday-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-5230</link>
		<dc:creator>usmediaweb&#187; Blog Archive &#187; Friday Fun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jun 2006 03:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Emmy</title>
		<link>http://www.wisdump.com/personal/friday-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-5229</link>
		<dc:creator>Emmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 11:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Handling clients is itself a horror story.
If one is in the business of dealing with clients then one can&#039;t get away easily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Handling clients is itself a horror story.<br />
If one is in the business of dealing with clients then one can&#8217;t get away easily.</p>
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		<title>By: Maysa</title>
		<link>http://www.wisdump.com/personal/friday-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-5228</link>
		<dc:creator>Maysa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2006 05:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the clients are themselves confused about what they want and so in turn they make us confuse. The result is utter chaos and nothing more.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the clients are themselves confused about what they want and so in turn they make us confuse. The result is utter chaos and nothing more&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
		<link>http://www.wisdump.com/personal/friday-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-5227</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2006 18:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We were working on a e-commerce site for a line of beauty products.  The client demanded it be done in flash and wouldnt budge. This was the worst case of &quot;a moving target&quot; i have ever seen or heard of.  A 3 week project ended up dragging on for well over 6 months. All was not lost however, because we ended up charging him roughly 10x the original estimate which he begrudgingly paid.  I think the worst part was when he changed his entire product line about 75% through the project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We were working on a e-commerce site for a line of beauty products.  The client demanded it be done in flash and wouldnt budge. This was the worst case of &#8220;a moving target&#8221; i have ever seen or heard of.  A 3 week project ended up dragging on for well over 6 months. All was not lost however, because we ended up charging him roughly 10x the original estimate which he begrudgingly paid.  I think the worst part was when he changed his entire product line about 75% through the project.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.wisdump.com/personal/friday-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-5226</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2006 06:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agreed to do a website for family member at a steep discount.  Problem is, I had clients paying me the regular rate and expecting me to meet their deadlines.

Obviously I pushed the famiy member&#039;s site back because people paying signficantly more money deserve to get significantly better service.  Family member got mad, accused me to &quot;screwing them&quot; and decided to build the site themselves.

Later, when the site wasn&#039;t working, they called me to ask for free help - which, to them, meant dictating HTML code over the phone.  No thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agreed to do a website for family member at a steep discount.  Problem is, I had clients paying me the regular rate and expecting me to meet their deadlines.</p>
<p>Obviously I pushed the famiy member&#8217;s site back because people paying signficantly more money deserve to get significantly better service.  Family member got mad, accused me to &#8220;screwing them&#8221; and decided to build the site themselves.</p>
<p>Later, when the site wasn&#8217;t working, they called me to ask for free help &#8211; which, to them, meant dictating HTML code over the phone.  No thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen O'Connor</title>
		<link>http://www.wisdump.com/personal/friday-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-5225</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen O'Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jun 2006 23:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Iâ€™ve just experienced the horror of having an external (print) designer, do the web template.&quot;

I was once supplied a concept from a print design which came with bleed and trim marks.

The project was also based on a CMS so she wondered why we couldnt have all the features she had in her concept.

Frustration insued...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Iâ€™ve just experienced the horror of having an external (print) designer, do the web template.&#8221;</p>
<p>I was once supplied a concept from a print design which came with bleed and trim marks.</p>
<p>The project was also based on a CMS so she wondered why we couldnt have all the features she had in her concept.</p>
<p>Frustration insued&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ERrwin Heiser</title>
		<link>http://www.wisdump.com/personal/friday-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-5224</link>
		<dc:creator>ERrwin Heiser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jun 2006 20:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty much the same story as Arik only the client used MS Frontpage on a gigantic XHTML table (on which I had used a few classes and a few lines of CSS to color it) and had gone through every cell in the table to &quot;change the colors&quot;. He was proud to announce that it had taken him several hours. LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty much the same story as Arik only the client used MS Frontpage on a gigantic XHTML table (on which I had used a few classes and a few lines of CSS to color it) and had gone through every cell in the table to &#8220;change the colors&#8221;. He was proud to announce that it had taken him several hours. LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Holst</title>
		<link>http://www.wisdump.com/personal/friday-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-5223</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Holst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jun 2006 17:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve just experienced the horror of having an external (print) designer, do the web template.

Seriously, she had it done pixel perfect, and would call me, if I had made something that had shifted 1-2px. I hate pixel perfectionism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just experienced the horror of having an external (print) designer, do the web template.</p>
<p>Seriously, she had it done pixel perfect, and would call me, if I had made something that had shifted 1-2px. I hate pixel perfectionism.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Stickel</title>
		<link>http://www.wisdump.com/personal/friday-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-5222</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Stickel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jun 2006 17:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had an interesting experience recently where I completed a small template and was then reprimanded â€” at least that&#039;s what they client tried to do by laying blame â€” for not being a mind reader regarding the very vague changes that were subsequently requested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had an interesting experience recently where I completed a small template and was then reprimanded â€” at least that&#8217;s what they client tried to do by laying blame â€” for not being a mind reader regarding the very vague changes that were subsequently requested.</p>
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		<title>By: Arik</title>
		<link>http://www.wisdump.com/personal/friday-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-5221</link>
		<dc:creator>Arik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jun 2006 09:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I only have a quote and one quote only that I recieved from a client:

&quot;I downloaded a copy of dreamweaver and I went and poked around with the website and I may have changed a few things that shouldn&#039;t have been, could you fix it?&quot;

This is why I raise my rates (occassionaly) with every client that takes it upon themselves to do the job they are paying me for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only have a quote and one quote only that I recieved from a client:</p>
<p>&#8220;I downloaded a copy of dreamweaver and I went and poked around with the website and I may have changed a few things that shouldn&#8217;t have been, could you fix it?&#8221;</p>
<p>This is why I raise my rates (occassionaly) with every client that takes it upon themselves to do the job they are paying me for.</p>
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