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		<title>By: RonaldB</title>
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		<dc:creator>RonaldB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 07:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a typical COBOL programmer (pushing on 40, not quite there yet) I can attest to the temptation of keeping with what you know and have been doing for the past 12 years, just because you&#039;re so damn good at it. Also, because virtually no new programmers decide to learn COBOL (apart from the Indians, that is) and there&#039;s still a large installed base to maintain, I can still find work.

This doesn&#039;t mean I&#039;m blind to the developments in the software environment; I&#039;ve been dabbling with Java, learned PHP to be able to work on some database driven sites and mean to seriously get involved with Java once the opportunity arises. It&#039;s just that it takes a lot of time and effort to keep up, and learning becomes harder as you get older; I have to be selective with what I chose, I can&#039;t affort to jump on any wagon that happens to pass by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a typical COBOL programmer (pushing on 40, not quite there yet) I can attest to the temptation of keeping with what you know and have been doing for the past 12 years, just because you&#8217;re so damn good at it. Also, because virtually no new programmers decide to learn COBOL (apart from the Indians, that is) and there&#8217;s still a large installed base to maintain, I can still find work.</p>
<p>This doesn&#8217;t mean I&#8217;m blind to the developments in the software environment; I&#8217;ve been dabbling with Java, learned PHP to be able to work on some database driven sites and mean to seriously get involved with Java once the opportunity arises. It&#8217;s just that it takes a lot of time and effort to keep up, and learning becomes harder as you get older; I have to be selective with what I chose, I can&#8217;t affort to jump on any wagon that happens to pass by.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthijs</title>
		<link>http://www.wisdump.com/personal/too-scared-to-learn/comment-page-1/#comment-5408</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthijs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 14:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have only learned webdesign a few years ago: only CSS from the start. Never build a site with tables. Every time I have to do something with a table-based site, I have a lot of difficulty understanding what&#039;s going on. All content being chopped up in illogical pieces and placed in different table cells. Sometimes even tables inside tables. Very confusing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have only learned webdesign a few years ago: only CSS from the start. Never build a site with tables. Every time I have to do something with a table-based site, I have a lot of difficulty understanding what&#8217;s going on. All content being chopped up in illogical pieces and placed in different table cells. Sometimes even tables inside tables. Very confusing.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve worked with (and am still working with) people that fit the description of your dyed-in-the-wool COBOL programmers, albeit with other languages. This seems &lt;em&gt;very&lt;/em&gt; prevalent in the newspaper industry, where a lot of companies are playing a perpetual game of catch-up.

The Web site I produce content for was a mess of tables and font tags until a few months ago. In fact, they would have continued to use this outdated layout method if I hadn&#039;t pushed for the use of CSS -- the simply had not updated their skills to remotely understand it.

Take a look at nearly any local newspaper site, and you&#039;ll undoubtly see what I mean (with exceptions, of course).

Trouble is, the folks that refuse to update their skills seem to lack incentive to do so. They seem content to fuddle with spacer .gifs and table cells.

It&#039;s also hard to attract new employees that have the updated skills because college new media programs aren&#039;t teaching CSS and Web Standards.

It&#039;s often left to the few to teach the many.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve worked with (and am still working with) people that fit the description of your dyed-in-the-wool COBOL programmers, albeit with other languages. This seems <em>very</em> prevalent in the newspaper industry, where a lot of companies are playing a perpetual game of catch-up.</p>
<p>The Web site I produce content for was a mess of tables and font tags until a few months ago. In fact, they would have continued to use this outdated layout method if I hadn&#8217;t pushed for the use of CSS &#8212; the simply had not updated their skills to remotely understand it.</p>
<p>Take a look at nearly any local newspaper site, and you&#8217;ll undoubtly see what I mean (with exceptions, of course).</p>
<p>Trouble is, the folks that refuse to update their skills seem to lack incentive to do so. They seem content to fuddle with spacer .gifs and table cells.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also hard to attract new employees that have the updated skills because college new media programs aren&#8217;t teaching CSS and Web Standards.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s often left to the few to teach the many.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are having some major problems come up when redesigning some of these heavily nested table websites.  The design portion is fine, we can handle that with ease.  However, the loads of existing static content with font and span tags and endless tables is making it nearly impossible to convert in a reasonable amount of time.  Be sure to investigate this before taking on redesign work, and schedule accordingly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are having some major problems come up when redesigning some of these heavily nested table websites.  The design portion is fine, we can handle that with ease.  However, the loads of existing static content with font and span tags and endless tables is making it nearly impossible to convert in a reasonable amount of time.  Be sure to investigate this before taking on redesign work, and schedule accordingly.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.wisdump.com/personal/too-scared-to-learn/comment-page-1/#comment-5405</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder what someone who originally learned layouts with CSS and never used tables for that purpose would think if they were forced to use tables for layout.  I&#039;m guessing they would think, &quot;why would I use tables for this when CSS is so much easier.&quot;

I&#039;ve been working with CSS for layout for five years now.  About a year ago I had to update some html which was originally written using tables for layout.  Granted it had a few nested tables, but it took me a long time to wrap my head around that markup and figure out what I was doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder what someone who originally learned layouts with CSS and never used tables for that purpose would think if they were forced to use tables for layout.  I&#8217;m guessing they would think, &#8220;why would I use tables for this when CSS is so much easier.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been working with CSS for layout for five years now.  About a year ago I had to update some html which was originally written using tables for layout.  Granted it had a few nested tables, but it took me a long time to wrap my head around that markup and figure out what I was doing.</p>
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		<title>By: J Phill</title>
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		<dc:creator>J Phill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree in not knowing why in the world a designer would be scared of learning CSS. I started designing about 3 years ago in tables, and once I heard about CSS I learned it myself and immediately abandoned using tables. Obviously I don&#039;t regret it. 

It is just ignorant to be in the tech/design industry and not want to at least try and keep up with what the people around you are doing. I&#039;d think that I would have a fear of job security.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree in not knowing why in the world a designer would be scared of learning CSS. I started designing about 3 years ago in tables, and once I heard about CSS I learned it myself and immediately abandoned using tables. Obviously I don&#8217;t regret it. </p>
<p>It is just ignorant to be in the tech/design industry and not want to at least try and keep up with what the people around you are doing. I&#8217;d think that I would have a fear of job security.</p>
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		<title>By: weisheng</title>
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		<dc:creator>weisheng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it depends on whether technology is a job or a passion. If it&#039;s a job, then every new advance will be greeted with a groan. If it&#039;s a passion, then the advance would probably have been mastered even before the masses caught on. Passion trumps job, by the way.

However, one must also understand that technology is insanely difficult to keep up with. It&#039;s true CSS is easy to pick up, I&#039;ve learned it solely by viewing the source code on many sites. But for hobbyist bloggers who are focused more on their content, then having to keep up with all this newfangled coding can get very tedious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it depends on whether technology is a job or a passion. If it&#8217;s a job, then every new advance will be greeted with a groan. If it&#8217;s a passion, then the advance would probably have been mastered even before the masses caught on. Passion trumps job, by the way.</p>
<p>However, one must also understand that technology is insanely difficult to keep up with. It&#8217;s true CSS is easy to pick up, I&#8217;ve learned it solely by viewing the source code on many sites. But for hobbyist bloggers who are focused more on their content, then having to keep up with all this newfangled coding can get very tedious.</p>
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		<title>By: Rik Lomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rik Lomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 22:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There are now so many web sites, blogs or publications devoted to helping people learn standards and accessible techniques that there are now no excuses not to work with semantic code or CSS. Those people still delivering nested table layout, spacer gifs or ignoring accessibility can no longer call themselves web professionals.&quot;
- Andy Clarke
http://accessify.com/2005/11/interview-with-andy-clarke-aka.php

I don&#039;t understand people who don&#039;t want to expand their skills. I don&#039;t know why people would want to supress their natural creativity and their passion for learning new and exciting things. Are they lazy or scared of failure? It&#039;s not as if CSS is a bleeding edge topic any more, it&#039;s a widespread technology with plenty of areas of help. I hope your article inspires people to learn the things they always wanted to but were too afraid because they think it&#039;s too hard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There are now so many web sites, blogs or publications devoted to helping people learn standards and accessible techniques that there are now no excuses not to work with semantic code or CSS. Those people still delivering nested table layout, spacer gifs or ignoring accessibility can no longer call themselves web professionals.&#8221;<br />
- Andy Clarke<br />
<a href="http://accessify.com/2005/11/interview-with-andy-clarke-aka.php" rel="nofollow">http://accessify.com/2005/11/interview-with-andy-clarke-aka.php</a></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand people who don&#8217;t want to expand their skills. I don&#8217;t know why people would want to supress their natural creativity and their passion for learning new and exciting things. Are they lazy or scared of failure? It&#8217;s not as if CSS is a bleeding edge topic any more, it&#8217;s a widespread technology with plenty of areas of help. I hope your article inspires people to learn the things they always wanted to but were too afraid because they think it&#8217;s too hard.</p>
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		<title>By: usmediaweb&#187; The CC Anthology &#187; Too Scared to Learn</title>
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		<dc:creator>usmediaweb&#187; The CC Anthology &#187; Too Scared to Learn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 21:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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