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Top 10 Web 2.0 Losers

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    Last week, Michael Calore, posted his take on Web 2.0 Winners and Losers and while I agreed with some of his picks, there were a lot that I didn’t think belonged. I also wanted to go a bit more indepth as to why these sites have made the list. With that in mind I have put together my list of 10 Web 2.0 losers and winners (coming Tuesday).

    Now many of these sites might not be considered Web 2.0 with regards to the technology they use, but this list was made to show the losers (and winners) in this era of the web regardless of the technologies they are using.

    1. Odeo. As I talked about in the Business Notes section of 9rules, Ev Williams talked about the failures Odeo has experienced and honestly it doesn’t look like it is going to get any better. After a promising start built from a ton of hype the momentum quickly stopped once Apple introduced podcasting within iTunes shortly after. Comparing a show’s subscribers in Odeo versus iTunes it is clear who the winner in the podcast directory game is and it’s not Odeo.What many people will consider Odeo’s downfall was their speed of development. Just last month they released a Myspace widget, which in the podcasting/audio space you would’ve figured that would’ve been one of the top things on their list to get out the door. Also, many people are worried that they have lost their focus due to the release of projects such as Hellodeo and Twitter.
    2. Squidoo. With the backing of Marketing guru, Seth Godin, it was easily assumed that Squidoo would do pretty well, but unfortunately that hasn’t been the case. Squidoo is a concept that had great potential to work 5 years ago, but now there is no reason for anyone to create a page and fill it with links to other places simply to look as though they are an expert in that category. In this user-generated era of content users always expect to get paid (Note: “paid” doesn’t always mean monetarily) and Squidoo offers no real benefits for anyone to invest their time in.
    3. Edgeio. When Michael Arrington is a part of something people are going to pay attention. However, it doesn’t seem that much attention is being paid to Edgeio except for spammers. It’s always nice to visit an English speaking site and once I look for housing I can easily find any place in China.The real problem is that Edgeio assumes you will use your website to sell your goods when there is very little chance that your audience has the reach of either eBay or Craigslist. Sellers will always go where the majority of the people are for the best chance of making money.
    4. Flock. When your supporters’ main argument is, “They haven’t even released a 1.0 version yet”, there is a good chance something is wrong. What exactly is the market for Flock? Arugably, Flock received the most amount of buzz last year before a beta was even released. With 12 employees on board and a stockpile of money to work with everything was looking rosy. That was fall of last year and now that we are in Fall 2006 what do we have so far?Beta 1 (v0.7). Let’s not forget that their founding CEO has quit along with their loudest cheerleader and you have signs of a company that is in trouble no matter how much the crowds want them to succeed.
    5. Netscape. It’s hard to call Netscape a loser because by default they should be receiving a ton of traffic with the use of one of the oldest Internet brands around. However, I don’t see them doing much simply because of the use of that old brand. Many people remember Netscape as being Microsoft’s whipping boy and newer people couldn’t care less what Netscape is because they know one thing, it isn’t Digg.With a broader range of categories than Digg, it seems Netscape is trying to appeal more to the general public than just the technology crowd. However, that crowd doesn’t seem to be interested in going through stories and voting up the top ones and too much of the Digg crowd will remain loyal to Digg because of the community and interface (Netscape needs a UI overhaul in the worst way).
    6. Microsoft. In May, comScore Networks reported that MSN Spaces was the largest blogging service worldwide, but who knows about it or uses it? Microsoft seems content to think that just being in the market is good enough for them and the market and will kindly hand itself over. What have they done exciting on the web in the past year?They want to compete with Google and Yahoo in the search space, but don’t seem to be making any ground there. Then there was the Adsense competitor that hasn’t made any waves. They completely missed the bus in the Social Networking space and have already fell behind in the Online Office Suite space. Now they believe they have the ability to compete with YouTube with their upcoming Soapbox. With the amount of cash they have they can catch up, but it doesn’t seem like they have any interest to do so.
    7. AOL. Not so long ago AOL had the largest social network on the Internet with their IM service and although they still dominate that field they weren’t able to capitalize on it and translate it on the web. Imagine starting a Social Network with your friends list already added as your friends and your account and page already setup with your IM information. The chance was there and they clearly missed it.Add to that a homepage that can’t compete with Yahoo and you are left with a company struggling to find a new identity.
    8. Bloglines. When AskJeeves bought Bloglines many people were hoping that the #1 online RSS reader would finally get the overhaul they had been waiting for. Sadly, those people are still waiting. Bloglines has always been the leader in its field, but due to the lack of innovation their marketshare continues to dwindle and it doesn’t seem that any change is on the horizon.Make sure to checkout Bloglines Revisited.
    9. SixApart. For a company that used to be the darling of the blogging world it’s surprising to see them lose so much traction so fast. WordPress has taken over the self-hosted blogging application crowd and is poised to do the same with their hosted platform as well. SixApart has not pushed anything innovative in their MovableType or Typepad applications and their recent offering, Vox, seems to just conflict with these two even more.
    10. Technorati. What does a couple years of development and multiple rounds of funding get you? Nothing but the same if you follow the Technorati model. The only ones who seem to care about this blogging search engine are the site owners who wish to keep track of who is linking to them and that’s if the service is even up to allow them to do so.The problem is that most people don’t care about blog search and the ones that do will soon go to Google because it is guaranteed to be up. After three rounds of funding and in excess of $12MM burned you would expect Technorati to be a force on the web, but that hasn’t been the case and it doesn’t look like it will be the case in the future either. There is no reason for the big search companies to acquire them because they can do what Technorati does so who is the likely buyer?Make sure to checkout Technorati Revisited.
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      1. Many good points but I’ll have to disagree with Technorati. I think Technorati are leaders in the blogging world. I don’t know how much funding they really got but they must be doing pretty well from advertising. Look at their traffic, constantly growing .

        Will they get acquired? Who knows. Is it the only way to go? Surely not.

        By Jaro on September 24, 2006 3:47 pm

      2. Has Microsoft ever done anything exciting on the web? The problem with Microsoft is they are so damn big, they have no focus, and they have zillions of dollars in the bank to do whatever they want with.

        Jason Fried said something on his blog that has stuck with me (some of the signal that came through all his less is more noise):

        Constraints drive innovation and forces focus.

        Microsoft has never been an innovative company even before they struck it rich with Windows 95. So now that they are a big giant money machine, we can never expect anything innovative from them, just copycat moves like Soapbox and Zune.

        By Chris Griffin on September 24, 2006 3:59 pm

      3. First, I think we are all starting to throw Alexa numbers around a bit too easily. With that said I’m still not sure going through 3 large rounds of financing with no end in site is a good sign of things no matter what your traffic levels are. With that type of traffic why do you need another $7.5MM? You are supposedly indexing 40MM+ sites on the web you should be in the top 50 sites on the web in my opinion.

        Sure being bought out isn’t the only way to go, but once you run out of cash you are either being bought or disappearing.

        By Scrivs on September 24, 2006 4:13 pm

      4. I actually like bloglines the way it is. It’s the only website on your list that I use, though. It makes it easy for me to keep track of RSS feeds with multiple computers and operating systems.

        By chris rhee on September 24, 2006 4:38 pm

      5. I know Rundle uses Bloglines religiously, but for me the interface has always kept me away. I’m not sure it has ever changed or gone through much improvement since it’s inception. Fortunately for them they seem to be in a space where there isn’t much competition.

        It will be interesting to see what SixApart can do with Rojo to turn their fortunes around and give AskJeeves a run for their money.

        By Scrivs on September 24, 2006 4:58 pm

      6. Like Chris, I’m also pretty happy with Bloglines. It works fine and is easy to use. It’s not the prettiest feed reader out there, but it does everything I need.

        I would suggest that any changes/improvements should be incremental rather than major – I don’t think it needs a mjor overhaul at all.

        Recently I tried out Newsgator online because it looked nicer, but found it too hard to use (get used to). So, why change?

        By Christian Watson on September 24, 2006 5:35 pm

      7. Scrivs – how can you say there isn’t much competition to Bloglines? There are about a gazillion RSS readers out there, last time I looked.

        I would say that this is one of the most crowed ‘web 2.0′ spaces to be in. No?

        By Christian Watson on September 24, 2006 5:36 pm

      8. Well to me it’s like saying the blog network space is crowded, but who is really challenging WIN and Gawker? Don’t let the number of services available make you think that a field is crowded.

        However, I did put them on the list because I don’t think it would be too hard to dethrone them due to their lack of innovation as of late.

        By Scrivs on September 24, 2006 10:00 pm

      9. […] Wisdump has also posted a list of 10 Web 2.0 Losers, with a list of winners to come next week. […]

        By My TECH Lists » Web 2.0 Winners and Losers Lists on September 24, 2006 10:16 pm

      10. […] Top 10 Web 2.0 Losers » Wisdump “Last week, Michael Calore, posted his take on Web 2.0 Winners and Losers and while I agreed with some of his picks, there were a lot that I didn’t thing belong. I also wanted to go a bit more indepth as to why these sites have made the list. With that in mind I have put together my list of 10 Web 2.0 losers and winners (coming Tuesday): Odeo, Squidoo, Edgeio, Flock, Netscape, Microsoft, AOL, Bloglines, SixApart, Technorati” […]

        By Julian On Software » Top 10 Web 2.0 Losers » Wisdump on September 24, 2006 10:40 pm

      11. […] 2.0 winners and losers. The lists are all really weird in my opinion. Does anyone even know if the “losers” are actually going bankrupt or if the “winners” are making any money?People are doing a bad job of defining what success and failure actually is.  # […]

        By Stefan Hayden » Blog Archive » People are starting to make noise about Web 2.0 winners and losers on September 24, 2006 10:51 pm

      12. […] Top 10 Web 2.0 losers […]

        By » ouch! on September 24, 2006 11:06 pm

      13. Flock is actually improving so much so from the 0.0000001 release and is now actually usable. Now all they have to do is change the way favorites work so people don’t have to go one more layer deep and it will be a really decent Firefox “replacement”.

        By JanSolo on September 24, 2006 11:20 pm

      14. […] Paul Scrivens’ top 10 so-called Web 2.0 failuresread more | digg story No Tags […]

        By Top 10 Web 2.0 Losers at dmense - beyond the web 2.0 hype on September 24, 2006 11:24 pm

      15. “Now they believe they have the ability to compete with YouTube with their upcoming Soapbox. With the amount of cash they have they can catch up, but it doesn’t seem like they have any interest to do so.”

        Why should Microsoft compete? YouTube is losing millions and is now facing lawsuits. Microsoft is wise to sit back and watch. Once YouTube finally goes bankrupt, MS will simply jump in and fill the void.

        By Lickin Chips on September 24, 2006 11:30 pm

      16. I actually use Flock, basically for one reason. I don’t really blog. I don’t use it to upload photos to Flickr. And it’s RSS reader is broken in a couple of critical ways. But it’s method of bookmarking rocks for these reasons:

        1) The ‘star’ makes it easy to tell if you’ve already bookmarked or not
        2) Clicking the star is easy
        3) I don’t have to manage folders of bookmarks any more, I can tag them.
        4) Finding them again is easy too, via the search bar.
        5) I can sync them between computers, or access them away from home by posting to or Shadows (the latter being my preference).

        There are still some UI kinks to work out, but if Flock dies, I hope it’s bookmarks make it back to Firefox somehow…

        By David on September 24, 2006 11:48 pm

      17. I’m curious about the Bloglines inclusion based on “lack of innovation.” Our guiding philosophy was about making feed-reading as easy as possible for the majority of people on the ‘net. As part of that, we were always concerned about needless feature creep, adding things a) that most of our users weren’t asking for, and b) that would confuse people or clutter the site. If you really look at the “innovations” by other feed readers, like tagging and article ranking, you’ll see that they either don’t add anything to the feed reading experience, they confuse users, or that they just plain aren’t used to any real degree.

        By Mark Fletcher on September 24, 2006 11:49 pm

      18. Everything Web 2.0 is a loser. I hope Web 2.0 dies.

        By smurf on September 25, 2006 12:05 am

      19. […] read more | digg story […]

        By The Web 2.0 Dev » Blog Archive » Top 10 Web 2.0 Losers on September 25, 2006 12:16 am

      20. I hate to be a echo what others have said, but I must admit one of the reasons why Bloglines remains as my main reader is because of its core competency in what RSS reader should offer: let people read RSS their feeds. I’m sure there are people out there who think Bloglines should to tag, vote, rank, or otherwise Ajax the heck out of their interface. Just as there are also people like me who believe not offering those features don’t make the application a ‘loser’.

        By soxiam on September 25, 2006 12:27 am

      21. Christian – It sounds like it’s a crowded webspace, but I’ve not seen a whole lot of competition in the web-based aggregator space. If there’s something out there with bloglines’ feature set (browser based, easy subscribe/search tools, displays full article text/images, has small/mobile screen support), I’d love to hear about it.

        By Chris Weiss on September 25, 2006 12:27 am

      22. Clearly all of these are losers when over half of them you’ve never even heard of until now.

        Web 2.0 definitely fails at capitolizing on new business models. Developers went nuts over this Web 2.0 ordeal and now this beast is showing its true colors. Good eye, to the developer community. lol.

        By Arik on September 25, 2006 12:48 am

      23. “The problem is that most people don’t care about blog search”

        That’s exactly the same thing they were saying in the 90s about search engines…and now look at Google.

        Blog search engines are great at finding current event things on the web. If I wanted to find the latest news on so-and-so and simply went to Google’s main page, it would show the results of older pages that have collected links over time, not the up-to-the-minute news on it that comes from recently-created pages. One could argue that Google News takes care of this function, but online newspapers are still usually slower at jumping on events. Usually a big news source breaks a story and it takes 24 hours for other newspapers to pick up on it, while blogs can start commenting on it minutes after the story hits the web. And that’s not even counting stories that originate from the blogs themselves.

        By Simon Owens on September 25, 2006 12:59 am

      24. […] read more | digg story […]

        By Top 10 Web 2.0 Losers « The Voyager… on September 25, 2006 1:49 am

      25. I think there are 24 official Flockers, 25 if you count the dog…

        By Paul Stamatiou on September 25, 2006 2:23 am

      26. […] Wisdump reseña hoy a los que considera los “Top 10 web 2.0 losers” (en inglés). Más allá de que hay una superpoblación de toptens y how tos de todo lo que se te ocurra (porque parece que es lo que pega en Digg y similares), el listado se me hizo interesante por varias razones: […]

        By 2.0 útil… o no. « Ponte la peluka on September 25, 2006 2:43 am

      27. Regarding #5, Netscape: It’s “couldn’t care less”, not “could care less”.

        By Dennis Tennis on September 25, 2006 4:43 am

      28. […] Top 10 Web 2.0 Losers » Wisdump […]

        By Basement Tapes » Top 10 Web 2.0 Losers on September 25, 2006 6:39 am

      29. Good list and good points. I think, however, that for some of the entries it is just too soon to predict whether they will be considered a flop or not.

        By Innovation Zen on September 25, 2006 6:45 am

      30. In response to Chris Griffin asking whether Microsoft “has ever done anything exciting on the web?” Yes, they have. They started the Web 2.0 revolution.

        Please refer to the Wikipedia page on “Outlook Web Access”, the Exchange/Outlook web interface. The product exposes a user’s e-mail, calendar, and other Exchange respository elements to the web. The Microsoft team created the XmlHttpRequest that is the foundation of AJAX/Web 2.0.

        Wikipedia page:

        By Urca Braz on September 25, 2006 7:01 am

      31. […] Wired: Web 2.0 Winners and Losers Wisdump: Top 10 Web 2.0 Losers […]

        By Beta Alfa 2.0 » Webb 2.0 - vinnare och förlorare on September 25, 2006 7:05 am

      32. […] […]

        By .. on September 25, 2006 7:30 am

      33. Flock’s a bit hungry on the resources but I love its integration with It makes it so easy to keep everything in sync between work and home.

        By tayf on September 25, 2006 7:35 am

      34. […] Paul Scrivens’ top 10 so-called Web 2.0 failuresread more | digg story […]

        By My 24 Blog » Top 10 Web 2.0 Losers on September 25, 2006 9:20 am

      35. excellent article. I totally agree with
        the comments on Technorati . Whats it
        for exactly ? And as for Flock….forget it.

        By Tony on September 25, 2006 9:21 am

      36. I use bloglines now, i used to use a desktop aggregator, then MS bought them and seems like they are not supporting firefox anymore as it was an extension. Then I switched to Rojo, i liked the interface, but i needed keyboard shortcuts too make my blog reading easier/faster which rojo to my knowledge still hasn’t implemented. Now i’m mostly happy with bloglines, i wish it was a bit prettier, but mostly just works. If bloglines could just spend some money and overhaul the UI, I would be a happy camper.

        By Jeff O'Hara on September 25, 2006 10:13 am

      37. I Agree with Jaro.. Technorati is hardly a loser. in fact if someone is under the impression they can keep up with the blogging world without the technorati help.. they are in for a rude surprise.

        Everything else – my thoughts exactly!

        By Aditya on September 25, 2006 10:21 am

      38. Of course, this list isn’t based on you know, revenue, in which case Netscape is winning by the buckets-of-cash-load.

        By Alex Rudloff on September 25, 2006 10:33 am

      39. You forgot to add 9rules to that list.

        11. 9Rules, pathetic useless content aggregation.

        By John Macnab on September 25, 2006 10:55 am

      40. You seriously need to check into getting a spell checker or dictionary. Spend some time worrying about that, before this shit you fucking idiot.

        By Bob Morris on September 25, 2006 10:59 am

      41. […] Top 10 Web 2.0 Losers Revisited: Bloglines and Technorati Yesterday when I wrote the Top 10 Web 2.0 Losers I figured it would ruffle some feathers and bring the loyalists out, but I wasn’t quite sure for which sites. No matter how much we might think people hate a site or application there always seem to be fans around waiting to defend it and this certainly was the case with Bloglines and Technorati. When these sites were brought up the arguments for why they should not be on the list were well-thought out and made me reflect a bit more on my decision to place them on the list. […]

        By Top 10 Web 2.0 Losers Revisited: Bloglines and Technorati » Wisdump on September 25, 2006 11:10 am

      42. I went back today and revisited putting Bloglines and Technorati on the list and nothing changed although I can see where many people are coming from with their arguments in favor of having them removed.

        By Scrivs on September 25, 2006 11:13 am

      43. bloglines is by far from a loser, good work on the revision. i’ve tried tons of rss software and sites and bloglines still rules them all. by far.

        By mike on September 25, 2006 11:27 am

      44. […] Top 10 Web 2.0 Losers – WizDump […]

        By Drainedge Link Tank » Today’s Links on September 25, 2006 2:40 pm

      45. Los 10 mayores fracasos de la web 2.0…

        Artículo en el que se presentan los que, a juicio del autor, son los 10 mayores fracasos de la web 2.0. Algunos ni los conocía pero sorprende la presencia de otras como SixApart o Technorati, que yo creía ejemplo para otras empresas. ¿Será que est…

        By on September 25, 2006 2:54 pm

      46. […] Link: l’articolo con la lista dei fallimenti del Web 2.0. […]

        By I perdenti nell’era del Web 2.0 on September 25, 2006 3:02 pm

      47. Click-worthy Links for the Day…

        The new iMacs have a Broadcom 802.11n network adapter that, while hidden in OS X, is visible in Vista. The speculation is that Apple’s upcoming iTV set top box will make use of 802.11n and at that time Apple will release a software or firmware up…

        By on September 25, 2006 3:27 pm

      48. I agree with the inclusion of Six Apart. They’re dead in the water, failing to support existing users of Movable Type let alone innovate with it.

        By LSF on September 25, 2006 6:07 pm

      49. […] OK, I admit I wanted to read about the latest articles listing each articles favorite Web 2.0 (pardon the use of the word) losers. One of the first was posted on Wired News and then a few days later on a well Digged blog called Wisdump. Lists of about the Top 10 Lists naturally attract attention since people want some concise guide on how to frame the world. The Top 10 Loser Lists are another version of this but reflect people’s tendency to whinge and criticize. Of course the ever popular bashing of Squidoo is always rehashed (poor Seth Godin.) Now I understand that good sites like Techcrunch use this format to help us sort through the garbage but I wonder how useful these loser lists really are especially for what I generally consider positive sites like Technorati. Hmm, should we really be so negative about webapps. Have you seen what’s going on in the real world? […]

        By Web 2.0 Losers = Negativity Lists at Grande Talk on September 25, 2006 6:44 pm

      50. […] So here is an interesting Top 10 list. ; It’s a roundup of "Web 2.0 losers" according to the Wisdump blog. ; I’m not sure what the criteria ; was behind coming up with this list. ; Maybe the criteria was a simple as creating a "meme" for the purpose of linkbacks to the source. ; Or maybe it’s an honest take from one individual’s perspective. ; […]

        By » Latest news on September 25, 2006 7:04 pm

      51. Hey Scrivs,

        Flock is doing quite well, thanks. We’re almost up to 30 people now and managing our money well enough to have at least 2 more years of runway to make it to the Top 10 Winners of Web 4.0 list. ;)

        We’ve made great progress since the wave of buzz you mentioned in our pre-beta days. We’ve added features like photo integration & news reading, and fixed many bugs that were affecting stability and performance. Buzz is a funny thing, we encouraged it in the very early days, but we’ve since learned buzz before you’re ready isn’t really helpful.

        People forget that building client software takes more time than building a web service. We hear people loud and clear when they say “hurry up”. But we’ve also done more to innovate on a web browser in the last year than has been done in the last ten.

        The blog meme about our CEO search was tempest in a teapot. Bart announced on our company blog, two months ago, that he was stepping aside so we could search for a professional CEO to take the company to the next level. My buddy Chris Messina needed his next challenge. We’ve also just hired some developers with over ten years experience on the Mozilla platform. People come and people go, it’s part of the life cycle of a startup.

        No offense bud, but I think the methodology of your post and the article that inspired it are a bit weak. They seem to be based on “What the writer thinks is cool or not”, rather than any consistent measurement I can see.


        Will Pate
        Community Ambassador, Flock

        By Will Pate on September 25, 2006 7:15 pm

      52. So who are the top 10 Web Two Oh winners?

        By Ross Hill on September 25, 2006 9:30 pm

      53. […] Para quienes gusten de los rankings y de la web 2.0 aca un par de ellos:  5 winners & 5 loosers y Top ten web 2.0 loosers […]

        By Tops web 2.0 at on September 25, 2006 9:53 pm

      54. Scrivs,

        Remember when I flamed you and Scrivstyme and said you should come back to the world of 2.0? This post is a prime example of what I was missing :)

        – James

        By Jamsi on September 25, 2006 11:50 pm

      55. SixApart – Vox appears to have exactly the same features as LiveJournal, just without the unfortunate assumption that it’s only for emo goth teens (which it’s really not).

        By James on September 26, 2006 12:18 am

      56. MSN (or Windows Live as it’s called now) is immensely popular in western Europe, Australia and Canada. I’ve heard about MSN Spaces for years and know many people who use it to write their blog. I hate to say it but, just because it isn’t big in the States doesn’t mean it’s obselete. :-)

        By Daniel on September 26, 2006 1:48 am

      57. “That’s exactly the same thing they were saying in the 90s about search engines [that most people don’t care about blog search]”

        Yeah…exactly what they were saying!!

        Actually, no, I never heard anyone say anything remotely like that. In fact, that is the stupidest comment I’ve heard in a long while.

        Having said that, I try to use Technorati every few weeks and I cannot for the life of me find an ounce of value in it. Feedster is worse.

        The Odeo, SixApart, Bloglines and possibly Flock calls are a bit premature. They are ate least delivering some value and the reasons given for their “losing” are not convincing.

        Edgeio and Squidoo, however, were DOA. Let’s be honest, being a hype-generator is a recipe for disaster when actually being a product creator.

        By pwb on September 26, 2006 3:04 am

      58. @Chris Weiss,

        Check out Newsgator. Integrated support into Outlook / syncing of read / unread content, mobile support.

        By Robert on September 26, 2006 4:54 am

      59. –Reply to RossHill

        Check this up!

        By Liths on September 26, 2006 8:17 am

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      61. […] Top 10 Web 2.0 Winners The Top 10 Web 2.0 Losers list was an interesting look at companies and sites that possibly haven’t lived up to their potential in this era of the web. Today I am going to look at the top 10 sites that I feel have exceeded the expectations of many and have taken marketshare away from established leaders or have become leaders themselves in their industries. Again, these sites don’t have to represent the Web 2.0 concept of rounded corners and AJAX technology, they are simply showing strength during this time of the web. […]

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      63. […] The question remains though how much innovation should you pursue when so much competition crops up without losing the simplicity of your concept? The argument for Bloglines in the Web 2.0 Losers discussion was that there was no reason to innovate when they simply did the job correctly. The only differentiating factors between the above job boards is the amount of people that each one will reach and the price per posting. So much for competitive analysis and taking things one step further than the rest. […]

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      67. […] Paul Scrivens has made two fantastic posts about the top Web 2.0 losers (and winners). […]

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      68. […] Wisdump lehele pandi üles kümme kõige halvemat Web 2.0 rakendust ja teenust. Oma teatavaks pahameeleks leidsin sealt ka Flock brauseri. Pahameeleks seepärsat, et minu hinnangul on tegemist kõige ägedama brauseriga. Ok, võibolla tõesti on kahtlane see, et betast pole siiani välja saadud. Seda vaatamata korralikule progejate hulgale ja rahale. […]

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      69. […] Top 10 Web 2.0 Losers (tags: web2.0) […]

        By » Blog Archive » links for 2006-09-27 on September 27, 2006 7:36 pm

      70. […] Ganadores 1. Myspace 2. WordPress 3. Flickr 4. YouTube 5. Revver and MetaCafe 6. Newsvine 7. Yahoo 8. Digg 9. Skype 10. FacebookComo vemos, hay bastantes cosas para discutir. Primero, ¿por qué Bloglines y Technorati son perdedores, si son los primeros con diferencia en lo suyo? El autor se basa en que como Bloglines no añade nada nuevo y como Technorati no tiene modelo de negocio (necesita muchos recursos y los grandes pueden pisarle en cuanto quieran). También había que repensarse lod e Microsoft, ya que en este lado del charco, los MSN Spaces crecen como la espuma (reconozco que iba a decir algo más malsonante).El resto son servicios web (o de escritorio, como Flock) que generaron mucha espectación en su día pero que hoy poco cuentan. Ah, y luego está AOL, que desde que tengo memoria siempre ha ido hacia abajo…En lo que respecta a los ganadores, hay varios que no pintan casi nada. Los primeros son Revver y MetaCafe, que francamente no son de lo más exitoso que hay en la Web 2.0. Luego hay un par de servicios interesantes, como Facebook y Newsvine, que para los castellanoparlantes casi no les sonará. Y luego está Myspace (no confundir con MSNSpaces), que se ha convertido en un fenómeno de masas (ya sabemos cómo son las masas), pero que aquí tampoco tiene muchos usuarios.El resto son aplicaciones que todos conocemos y algunas hasta las usamos, pero faltan también algunos ganadores natos, como Google o ser los primeros en lo suyo parece que también está mal visto.Y como la opinión de un 9rules tampoco está en la posesión de la verdad absoluta, voy a mojarme y dar una lista de los que, por la fuerza y el número de usuarios que tienen, merecerían ser el Top Ten de servicios relacionados con la Web 2.0 en castellano (están desordenados):GoogleYouTubeFlickrWordPressMSN Spaces/MSN MessengerDigg/MenéameSkypeTechnoratiBloglines¿Qué webdoscero-cosa añadirías o quitarías de tu lista? Espero comentarios…Enlace | Lista en Wired Enlace | Top 10 Web 2.0 Losers / Winners […]

        By Los 10 mayores ganadores y perdedores de la Web 2.0 on September 27, 2006 7:48 pm

      71. […] Hopefully by paying attention to these points you will make it to the winners list and void the losers list, next time Paul Scrivens does a roundup. […]

        By 10 Things That Will Make Or Break Your Website on September 27, 2006 9:03 pm

      72. […] This is the season for randomly assigning Web 2.0 companies to lists. In this case, we have the lists of this year’s winners and losers of Web 2.0. […]

        By How To Split An Atom | How To Pick The Winners (And Losers) Of Web 2.0 on September 28, 2006 2:46 am

      73. As always, masterful linkbait. While I’ve been told it’s not particularly productive to try to refute someone who’s a master baiter, I feel obliged to weigh in. About Six Apart, naturally.

        “For a company that used to be the darling of the blogging world it’s surprising to see them lose so much traction so fast.”

        Define “traction”. If you define the term as “cool points in the bubble of web geeks that you associate with”, you’re probably right. If you define traction as “building a real business, getting regular people to blog, and making money while doing it”, then you’re demonstrably wrong.

        I can honestly understand that a lot of people resent/regret that being cool isn’t really one of our goals. Especially since “cool” is considered better than “sustainable” or “interesting to people who don’t give a shit about web technology” for Web 2.0 purposes.

        The analysis you offer of a few of our platforms just reveals that you don’t use them. Getting the biggest companies in the world to blog is innovation. Building tools that help most of the most popular blogs in the world get published is innovation. Frankly, nobody had done that before, and nobody else is doing a great job of it right now.

        No, it’s not necessarily javascript whizzery, although I’d hold up Vox’s Ajax features against the best in the world. But it’s something simpler: We define success as helping the most people connect and communicate on the web. LiveJournal alone signs up more users in a month than some of the services you consider “winners” have in their entire existence. And the open source back-end technology the LiveJournal team created doesn’t just power our tools, it makes it possible to scale up sites like Craigslist, Facebook, Digg,, Wikipedia, and dozens more.

        I’ll gladly concede that we aren’t “winners” on a list where you’re not factoring in whether a company’s going to be around in 10 years. We also won’t win in terms of trying to appease web geeks like ourselves. But do send your family Vox invites, and see what they say. Even better, take the time to read and connect with some friends with Vox. It’s a lot more fun than creating scorecards that don’t measure something meaningful.

        By Anil on September 28, 2006 4:22 am

      74. […] So what’s up with this site? Do you really care as long as I bring you the heat? I didn’t think so. Been a lot of lying going on with regards to numbers and stats. Been a lot of crying about who made the Top 10 Web 2.0 Losers List and who didn’t make the Winners List. Lots of people don’t like me and even more people don’t know me yet. […]

        By Awwwwwww Bitches » Oreo CEO on September 28, 2006 2:43 pm

      75. […] Scrivs posted a good list of “Top 10 Web 2.0 Losers.” I agree with all the companies that he listed and would probably add some more to the list if I could. The most interesting thing about this list is #2 and #3 — Squidoo and Edgeio. The reason I single out these two companies is because of their high profile backers — marketing guru Seth Godin for Squidoo and Techcrunch’s Michael Arrington for Edgeio. These guys are considered experts in the web 2.0 space. If they invest and promote something and it doesn’t succeed, what hopes do the rest of us have? […]

        By Gradsen Blog » Blog Archive » The Unpredictable Web 2.0 on September 28, 2006 5:11 pm

      76. About MSN Spaces; I remeber I initially got so pissed when I had just bought my computer, because it was set as a default and I for some reasons had trouble getting away from it. When something is set as default in an insisting way, and starts to annoy you, you will remember the name of it in a negative way for ever and never use any service related to it.

        By Anne on September 29, 2006 1:03 am

      77. […] Top 10 Web 2.0 Losers  […]

        By Keletas nuorodų Web programuotojams #4 « Paranormalaus pasaulio užeiga on September 29, 2006 1:05 am

      78. […] I ragged on Bloglines (which doesn’t suck) on the Top 10 Web 2.0 Losers list for seemingly being static with regards to updates. Apparently they have pushed out a small visual update that goes a long way in improving usability. That’s all most customers ask for. […]

        By Why Your Web App Sucks » Wisdump on September 29, 2006 11:43 am

      79. > SixApart has not pushed anything innovative in their MovableType or Typepad applications…

        This quote is entirely wrong. Check out MT 3.3 and particularly MT-Enterprise 1.03 for the real scoop.

        By gene on September 29, 2006 2:22 pm

      80. […] Paul Scrivens (9rules): Top 10 Web 2.0 Winners és Top 10 Web 2.0 Losers […]

        By Top 10 vesztes/nyertes - Worldshots on September 30, 2006 3:30 pm

      81. […] Don’t know how many of you out there are using Bloglines (they WERE picked as one of the top 10 web 2.0 losers for reasons I don’t understand), but the new updates to the left pane, where your feeds are listed, are great. (I was going to say “awesome” but after listening to Eddie Izzard, I’m thinking I should cut back on my use of the word.) […]

        By Underground Dragon » Got to love when things that you use everyday get better on October 1, 2006 9:11 pm

      82. […] Ok, I sense the anxiety. You’re not a designer. You’ve done your homework. You know The Design Master Mike Rundle will be looking at your site. You know sharp-tongued Scrivs will be looking at your site. I know, you read Scrivs called Microsoft, AOL, Netscape, Bloglines, SixApart and (gasp) Technorati losers and to top it off the 9rules Design Community has many of the best designers. I feel you. Have no fear, Tyme is here. I don’t believe I typed that. […]

        By Does your site have curb appeal? » 9rules Network Official Blog on October 2, 2006 7:55 am

      83. I use Bloglines. I tried using Rojo and also Google Reader. But keep coming back to Bloglines. It is the only one which doesn’t get in my way when I just want to read news. It does that one job very well.

        By akash on October 3, 2006 12:03 am

      84. Well, I have to say that I do not consider typepad a loser – it’s really a great software and I can see this growing in user set up.

        Don’t slam them just yet!

        By Jake on October 3, 2006 8:51 pm

      85. […] In the past few months, there have been a hell fo a lot of top ten lists. No joke, thousands have been made. There’s been everything from the top ten most buitiful apps, to the top ten Web 2.0 losers (and winners), to the top ten Pink for October reboots. But thoughout all the top ten lists I’ve seen make the front page of Digg, I have yet to see one for dashboard widgets. So, I now introduce to you my list of the top ten dashboard widgets available for Dashboard. […]

        By » Blog Archive » Top 10 Dashboard Widgets on October 4, 2006 12:40 am

      86. […] Paul Scrivens’ top 10 so-called Web 2.0 failuresread more | digg story […]

        By EveryDigg » Blog Archive » Top 10 Web 2.0 Losers on October 4, 2006 8:17 am

      87. […] Wisdump (Paul Scrivens) listar de tio hetaste webbtillämpningarna. Och de tio förlorarna. Han använder begreppet Web 2.0, vilket jag tycker vi kan vara utan. Det är verkligen överreklamerat. […]

        By Tip(z) » 10 hetaste webbtillämpningarna on October 5, 2006 2:47 am

      88. […] I’m not quite sure about Flocks future with all the rumors going round (e.g. featured in the Top 10 Web 2.0 Losers list), but personally I love it. […]

        By Flock - My new darling. « blindapeinc. on October 5, 2006 3:54 pm

      89. […] The Top 10 Web 2.0 Losers list was an interesting look at companies and sites that possibly haven’t lived up to their potential in this era of the web. Today I am going to look at the top 10 sites that I feel have exceeded the expectations of many and have taken marketshare away from established leaders or have become leaders themselves in their industries. Again, these sites don’t have to represent the Web 2.0 concept of rounded corners and AJAX technology, they are simply showing strength during this time of the web. […]

        By Alan’s Blog » Top 10 Web 2.0 Winners on October 6, 2006 12:15 am

      90. […] Top 10 Web 2.0 Losers » Wisdump I perdenti del Web 2.0 (tags: 2.0 web2.0 web losers) […]

        By links for 2006-10-05 - on October 7, 2006 7:54 pm

      91. […] Scrivs picks the Top 10 Web 2.0 Winners and Losers […]

        By adaptive path » blog » blog archive » Signposts for the Week ending October 6, 2006 on October 9, 2006 12:40 pm

      92. The other day I noticed a couple of Podshow podcasts had been downloaded with a file size of 0 bytes. When I went to the Podshow site I saw they don’t have any easy way of downloading an MP3. Instead they want you to launch a player and stream the archived file. Odeo pointed me to the URL of the MP3 file. So I’m thankful Odeo still exists.

        By Scott Mace on November 22, 2006 8:43 pm

      93. […] Loser: […]

        By » Top Ten Web 2.0 Verlierer Gewinner Tips for Blogger on December 5, 2006 1:38 am

      94. […] I have not been kind to Six Apart this year at all. First I put them on the 5 companies that will fail list and then I place them on the Top 10 Web 2.0 Losers list. But then Vox showed up and they hit a homerun with this one. […]

        By Revisited: 5 Companies That Will Fail This Year 2006 » Wisdump on December 17, 2006 5:45 pm

      95. The sad thing is that SixApart sucks so very badly and people are only JUST realising it.

        By Kyle Korleski on December 18, 2006 11:21 am

      96. […] Top 10 Web 2.0 Losers » Wisdump […]

        By miniporkchop » Blog Archive » Top 10 Web 2.0 Losers » Wisdump on January 1, 2007 3:35 am

      97. […] Top 10 Web 2.0 Losers » Wisdump […]

        By miniporkchop » archive » Top 10 Web 2.0 Losers » Wisdump on January 1, 2007 6:59 pm

      98. […] On ne parlera pas trop des flops de 2006 pour mieux se concentrer sur les promesses 2007. Dans ces ratages (cliquez sur le lien, je trouve que le résumé est excellent), je regrette vivement l’échec de Flock, le browser social qui devait accompagner l’essor du Web 2.0. Ce flop aura vu presque indirectement la création de la Citizen Agency avec la première promotion d’un marketing décliné exclusivement du ClueTrain Manifesto. Ceci est une fiction mais voici mes 10 petites prédictions pour le cru 2007: […]

        By Shoob » Blog Archive » Je vous présente mes meilleurs voeux pour 2007 on January 2, 2007 8:52 am

      99. […] Top 10 Web 2.0 Losers » Wisdump Et les 10 losers 2006 sont : Six Apart, Technorati, Bloglines, Odeo, Squidoo, Edgeio, Flock, Netscape, Microsoft et AOL (tags: loser internet web20 business startup) […]

        By Shoob » Blog Archive » links for 2007-01-02 on January 2, 2007 12:31 pm

      100. […] Scrivs – “What does a couple years of development and multiple rounds of funding get you? Nothing but the same if you follow the Technorati model. The only ones who seem to care about this blogging search engine are the site owners who wish to keep track of who is linking to them and that’s if the service is even up to allow them to do so” […]

        By Blog » Technorati Noise on January 16, 2007 7:16 pm

      101. […] Surprisingly good list of the top 10 Web 2.0 losers. It’s too early to pass judgement on Netscape (the site has shot to the top of Google search results for current events keywords because of the site’s high PageRank) and SixApart’s inclusion is wrong. The top four spots are right on; the Odeo situation is sad (I thought they were really onto something), but Flock, Edgeio, and Squidoo seemed not quite equal to the hype right from the beginning. […]

        By Surprisingly good list of the top 10 Web 2.0 losers on January 23, 2007 6:27 pm

      102. […] Source: NowPublic […]

        By Top 10 Web 2.0 Losers « mtippett on April 3, 2007 1:53 am

      103. […] No seguimento do artigo, o CEO da 9Rules, Paul Scrivens, publicou a sua selecção de dez vencidos da Web 2.0. […]

        By ENGRENAGEM - Media e Tecnologia: blog sobre jornalismo, citizen journalism, blogosfera e novas tecnologias on April 3, 2007 9:43 pm

      104. […] Top 10 Web 2.0 Losers Source Last week, Michael Calore, posted his take on Web 2.0 Winners and Losers and while I agreed with some of his picks, there were a lot that I didn’t think belonged. I also wanted to go a bit more indepth as to why these sites have made the list. With that in mind I have put together my list of 10 Web 2.0 losers […]

        By Top 10 Web 2.0 Losers « Tons of Fresh News on April 4, 2007 2:13 am

      105. […] Top 10 Web 2.0 Losers Filed under: Uncategorized — recar @ 1:54 pm Source Last week, Michael Calore, posted his take on Web 2.0 Winners and Losers and while I agreed with some of his picks, there were a lot that I didn’t think belonged. I also wanted to go a bit more indepth as to why these sites have made the list. With that in mind I have put together my list of 10 Web 2.0 losers […]

        By Top 10 Web 2.0 Losers « News Coctail on April 4, 2007 9:55 am

      106. […] Top 10 Web 2.0 Losers […]

        By Woo..World Top 33 of the Top 10 « sharing everything on April 13, 2007 10:45 pm

      107. I cann’t agree thant Technorati is a loser, Technorati meets the need of so many and more and more bloggers. Until today, it is the best blog aggregation site!

        By lists on May 22, 2007 1:16 am

      108. […] Look over the list for yourself to see if you’re allied or opposed to some selections or the complete set. […]

        By Wisdump’s Top 10 of Web 2.0 Losers - Right, or Wrong? on June 21, 2007 5:02 am

      109. […] von 1784 Benutzern 6) Top 10 Cool Sites We Miss 7) Top 15 free SQL Injection Scanners 8) Top 10 Web 2.0 Losers 9) Top 10 Free Time Wasting Sites on the Net 10) Top 10 Accidential […]

        By Die Top 10 Liste der Top 10 Listen » on June 29, 2007 1:34 pm

      110. I personally enjoy using squidoo. I find it to be user friendly and a great place for search engine traffic. Is it being used to spam? Sure, but most everything is these days. Like most things though, the creme will rise to the top.

        Those who give good and unique content will win time and time again.

        So, web 2.0’ers, contribute the good stuff and keep web 2.o alive.

        Home Business Mentor,

        Jeremy Henderson

        By Jeremy Henderson on March 31, 2008 2:39 pm

      111. I totally agree that Technorati is a loser. Does anyone even go there anymore?

        By trademark registration on April 8, 2008 11:00 pm

      112. […] Scrivens’ top 10 so-called Web 2.0 failuresread more | digg […]

        By Top 10 Web 2.0 Losers | Easy Place To Blog on June 26, 2008 4:59 pm

      113. In my personal opinion web 2.0 sites should be rated on the value they provide, not on the number of people they involve. Why? Read Galaxy Zoo [].

        By Dario de Judicibus on August 9, 2008 4:54 am

      114. […] questa lista dei losers : si fanno nomi e cognomi, e che nomi e […]

        By dotcoma » Blog Archive » 10 perdenti duepuntozero on January 19, 2010 7:42 pm

      115. […] Web 2.0の負け組とか言われてたしなぁ。でもそのうちWeb 2.0自体が負け組になるので気にするな。 […]

        By in/flux » Blog Archive » すべて不調 on March 31, 2010 6:43 am

      116. […] Top 10 Web 2.0 Losers list was an interesting look at companies and sites that possibly haven’t lived up to their […]

        By Top 10 Web 2.0 Winners | Wisdump on May 6, 2010 4:58 pm

      117. I got what you mean , appreciate it for posting .Woh I am glad to find this website through google. “The test and use of a man’s education is that he finds pleasure in the exercise of his mind.” by Carl Barzun.

        By Andra Beaucage on September 9, 2011 11:41 pm

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