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		<title>By: pkdsjaxrru</title>
		<link>http://www.wisdump.com/wisdump/wisdump-needs-a-new-logo/comment-page-1/#comment-8132</link>
		<dc:creator>pkdsjaxrru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 23:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello! Good Site! Thanks you! ymqlnpvdyco</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello! Good Site! Thanks you! ymqlnpvdyco</p>
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		<title>By: Wisdump Logo Contest - The entries are in!</title>
		<link>http://www.wisdump.com/wisdump/wisdump-needs-a-new-logo/comment-page-1/#comment-8114</link>
		<dc:creator>Wisdump Logo Contest - The entries are in!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 13:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] As mentioned previously, Wisdump needs a new logo.  The following entries have been received and the choice is down to you. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] As mentioned previously, Wisdump needs a new logo.  The following entries have been received and the choice is down to you. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 18:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Lail - thanks for your input.  What you suggest is exactly what I have in mind.  As you point out, it&#039;s the best route to get people involved, whilst also providing a platform for constructive feedback and exposure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lail &#8211; thanks for your input.  What you suggest is exactly what I have in mind.  As you point out, it&#8217;s the best route to get people involved, whilst also providing a platform for constructive feedback and exposure.</p>
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		<title>By: Lail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 18:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough. I appreciate both the points you make. I certainly agree about the gap between portfolios and actual results. It&#039;s hard to shop for good designers based on just their public portfolio alone. Get a recommendation from someone you know who has a logo you admire, if you can.

As for the readership judging the entries - I think that is a step in the right direction. I don&#039;t know what you&#039;re planning specifically, but I would encourage you to go all the way and display *all* the entries on the site for a time, along with names and a link. Possibly create a couple of runner up spots that will remain up in the blog post after the contest is over. This way, at least you can pay all the contestants *something* (e.g. visibility), even if it&#039;s not money. Now if I were a younger designer coming up, I could at least attach a value to that, and in many cases that might be enough to get me interested. 

Also, I know that a lot of designers appreciate feedback, so you might entertain the idea of allowing a round of public commenting and a chance for the designers to make one round of revisions before voting starts. This would give the designers something else of value and let the non-designers among your readership be even more involved in the competition.

In any case, I do wish you the best of luck and I hope there is a way that the contest can be structured to benefit both you and all of your readers who get involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough. I appreciate both the points you make. I certainly agree about the gap between portfolios and actual results. It&#8217;s hard to shop for good designers based on just their public portfolio alone. Get a recommendation from someone you know who has a logo you admire, if you can.</p>
<p>As for the readership judging the entries &#8211; I think that is a step in the right direction. I don&#8217;t know what you&#8217;re planning specifically, but I would encourage you to go all the way and display *all* the entries on the site for a time, along with names and a link. Possibly create a couple of runner up spots that will remain up in the blog post after the contest is over. This way, at least you can pay all the contestants *something* (e.g. visibility), even if it&#8217;s not money. Now if I were a younger designer coming up, I could at least attach a value to that, and in many cases that might be enough to get me interested. </p>
<p>Also, I know that a lot of designers appreciate feedback, so you might entertain the idea of allowing a round of public commenting and a chance for the designers to make one round of revisions before voting starts. This would give the designers something else of value and let the non-designers among your readership be even more involved in the competition.</p>
<p>In any case, I do wish you the best of luck and I hope there is a way that the contest can be structured to benefit both you and all of your readers who get involved.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.wisdump.com/wisdump/wisdump-needs-a-new-logo/comment-page-1/#comment-8116</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 17:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Lail - I do understand that point of view, I really do.  My personal background is application development and I lost count of the number of times someone came to me and said &#039;Do this little job for free and if its good we&#039;ll give you loads of work&#039;.  Of course, the extra paid work never materializes.

On the other side of the fence though, I started out by always going direct to a designer and choosing based on their portfolio.  In the 3 instances I did this (all different designers), not one of them came up with something anywhere near the quality of the work shown in the portfolio.

In terms of the contest here, it&#039;s worth noting that I will not be judging the entries - the readership will.  I would hope that even for those that don&#039;t get the backing of the readers, it still gives the little guy trying to build a name for himself an opportunity to showcase what they can do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lail &#8211; I do understand that point of view, I really do.  My personal background is application development and I lost count of the number of times someone came to me and said &#8216;Do this little job for free and if its good we&#8217;ll give you loads of work&#8217;.  Of course, the extra paid work never materializes.</p>
<p>On the other side of the fence though, I started out by always going direct to a designer and choosing based on their portfolio.  In the 3 instances I did this (all different designers), not one of them came up with something anywhere near the quality of the work shown in the portfolio.</p>
<p>In terms of the contest here, it&#8217;s worth noting that I will not be judging the entries &#8211; the readership will.  I would hope that even for those that don&#8217;t get the backing of the readers, it still gives the little guy trying to build a name for himself an opportunity to showcase what they can do.</p>
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		<title>By: Lail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 17:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got to go with Adrian here. Spec work is a raw deal for designers. I understand the desire to get the community involved, and frankly, to get a logo cheap - but you may be doing more damage than good here. 

First of all, you&#039;re going to piss off a lot of professional designers with this move. As I&#039;m sure you know, there are more than a couple of us that make up your readership. This undermines your credibility with them severely. Make no mistake - it&#039;s a topic that is throughly discussed among designers and most have their minds made up.

Secondly, every time someone does one of these contests and gets a lot of entries, you have to consider all the work that you just solicited. Only the work of one lucky winner will ever be &quot;paid for&quot;, and you run the risk of alienating all of those other contestants who just threw their time away. Hundreds, if not thousands, of man-hours collectively. Sure, it&#039;s their fault for entering in the first place. But now you &quot;don&#039;t get my vision&quot;, you don&#039;t see things the way I do and I&#039;m likely to feel less connection to your point of view. And if they haven&#039;t put that much thought into it, it was a crap logo to begin with :)

Not trying to slag you here - just want to offer a point of view that maybe hasn&#039;t been considered yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got to go with Adrian here. Spec work is a raw deal for designers. I understand the desire to get the community involved, and frankly, to get a logo cheap &#8211; but you may be doing more damage than good here. </p>
<p>First of all, you&#8217;re going to piss off a lot of professional designers with this move. As I&#8217;m sure you know, there are more than a couple of us that make up your readership. This undermines your credibility with them severely. Make no mistake &#8211; it&#8217;s a topic that is throughly discussed among designers and most have their minds made up.</p>
<p>Secondly, every time someone does one of these contests and gets a lot of entries, you have to consider all the work that you just solicited. Only the work of one lucky winner will ever be &#8220;paid for&#8221;, and you run the risk of alienating all of those other contestants who just threw their time away. Hundreds, if not thousands, of man-hours collectively. Sure, it&#8217;s their fault for entering in the first place. But now you &#8220;don&#8217;t get my vision&#8221;, you don&#8217;t see things the way I do and I&#8217;m likely to feel less connection to your point of view. And if they haven&#8217;t put that much thought into it, it was a crap logo to begin with :)</p>
<p>Not trying to slag you here &#8211; just want to offer a point of view that maybe hasn&#8217;t been considered yet.</p>
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		<title>By: gretzky</title>
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		<dc:creator>gretzky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 13:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think its a great idea. I saw other sites have similar competitions and the outcome was really good.

I might aswell give it a try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think its a great idea. I saw other sites have similar competitions and the outcome was really good.</p>
<p>I might aswell give it a try.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 13:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just call the guys over at LogoMaid. HAHA!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just call the guys over at LogoMaid. HAHA!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Spooky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spooky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 15:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I have to say is: rawr, embroidery.</description>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 14:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all the comments so far.  As requested, I&#039;ve added a few pointers on what I see as being the requirements.  It&#039;s by no means a complete brief, so if anyone has any specific questions feel free to ask away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all the comments so far.  As requested, I&#8217;ve added a few pointers on what I see as being the requirements.  It&#8217;s by no means a complete brief, so if anyone has any specific questions feel free to ask away.</p>
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